> On 10/17/2014 02:38 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: > > On 9 October 2014 19:49, Lennart Sorensen <email@example.com> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 09:25:23AM -0700, Ray Andrews wrote: >> > Can *anything* justify creating a problem that can't be debugged? >> I suppose that this invalidates one of the functionality claims that was part >> of the basis for adoption... > >> Specifically... > >> https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd > > Well, they certainly write a glowing review of themselves, do they not? > That's a very well written and convincing doc, but it does seem that not > enough attention has been paid to the issues that have been raised here.
Well, it stands to reason that when they were promoting the notion of being
a replacement for SysVInit, they'd put the best face forward.
While I wasn't keen on Upstart getting chosen, I think the page they prepared describing the merits of moving from SysVInit presents good points well.
> On my system I get strange messages about 'start jobs' and 'stop jobs' which > come with one minute, thirty second countdowns. I don't know why it has to > be 90 seconds, would 60 seconds not do the trick? 30 seconds just totally wrong?
Based on the sales job that quotes startup time as 1 second, for there to be something that takes more than 1 second seems like a severe matter.
> Still, the big question is: are these fixable glitches and bugs, or do they point > to those deeper, fundamental problems that we've talked about? > > But, to be devil's advocate: One thing about the systemd doc above that struck me > as a sound argument was that starting a service is ... starting a service, and that > whereas that mostly happens at init, it makes sense that whatever code/method > is used to do it at init may as well be used generally. No?
Unfortunately, the current goings-on seem to risk being free of technical content,
and fodder for flame warring.
I guess I find myself displeased with certain technical points
(e.g. - claims of 1s boot time, that seem invalidated), but I'm usually finding things working on my systems that have SystemD. So far, I can't establish, from my own observations, that "different" == "bad".
-- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?"