Re: X on Mac
On 5/29/07, Finn Thain <fthain@telegraphics.com.au> wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2007, Brian Morris wrote:
> On 5/27/07, Finn Thain <fthain@telegraphics.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 26 May 2007, Joel Ewy wrote:
> >
> > > Hmm. As I recall, there is another layout (or was in XFree86 4.x)
> > > for the Mac called something like "macintosh_old". I believe this
> > > was for the older, small ADB keyboards that didn't have Function
> > > keys. It sounds like you're using a full-sized keyboard, but it
> > > might tell us something if you try out the other layout.
> >
> > I think macintosh_old is for old kernels (or newer kernels that have
> > been configured to send ADB keycodes -- but I've never seen one, since
> > powerpc and m68k switched to linux keycodes years ago).
>
> actually, no, we just switched.
Sure you just switched, but others have been running 2.6 on m68k macs for
years.
certainly not anywhere near production levels. the 2.6 kernels I got from
you all have only become useable in the last six months. and only really
useable since your last patch, that was not to hang my q630 at shutdown.
(thanks).
i do realize though that it takes years to develop the kernels and you
all kernel
hackers have been working hard for a while. despite all that there has to be
a reasonably useably system that people are willing to upgrade to, that
most of the users of sarge would. it could be that almost now.
I have been a half time unix admin in the past and it was something of a testing
research environment where my own career had eventually suffered to the
point where i had to give it up. My point is that although I am willing to help
up to a point, that is, I hope that others can/will pick up the new system too.
Particularly people who are interested in applications which can be conservative
in their use of resources (or application environments).
I think of quadra as sort of a baseline. we had sun and next machines going
well that were useful (actually the web was born in December 1990 on
the next) in the early 90s that were about as modern as we see today.
Although it
seems amazing that these old macs work, actually it is reasonable that
they should, it is the new machines that as actually supercomputers are
underperforming (in some ways).
AFAIK, ADB keycodes were deprecated around 2.4 by those Debian packages
that care about the console. And for ADB, naturally m68k follows in the
powermac footsteps.
So, you think that the X keyboard and the console are completely unconnected ?
I thought about put back the old mac consolekeymap. I could start X
from ssh login and see if the old mac X keymap then works.
> whoops, looks you guys beat me to it. both finn's 20 and christians 21
> have
>
> CONFIG_MAC_ADBKEYCODES=y
That's because I used the debian config for that kernel. I build smaller
kernels for myself, and I don't enable CONFIG_MAC_ADBKEYCODES. It doesn't
do anything in 2.6.x. It should be removed from Kconfig.
> i should try booting with kernel option keyboard_sends_linux_keycodes=1
The 2.6.x kernel doesn't use that either (I don't know if userspace does
anything with it).
well heres another puzzle:
there is a support script in /usr/share/console which is supposed to
pick the good console keymap. however for 68k it needs to read
Model: Macintosh
out of /proc/hardware, which exists but is empty. there fore I assume
that debconf or whatever installation / upgrade / reinstallation will not
pick the keymap correctly. since /proc is not regular file you cannot change
its contents, unless you know how it is set up ( I don't) ?
-f
Brian
-- Its been true for twenty years - you can pretty much live in emacs --
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