Re: Willingness to share a position statement?
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 03:38:40PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 06:28:36PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:20:33PM +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 12:09:40AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > > >On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 09:38:56PM +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > > >>...
> > > >> We *entirely* have the freedom to discriminate based on
> > > >> what people say and do around us. We're not a government. We are *not*
> > > >> in the situation where we *have* to support people saying things that we
> > > >> believe to be bad, wrong and hurtful. It is *entirely* within our
> > > >> rights to evaluate people by their words and actions and to decide
> > > >> whether we wish to talk or work with them in future.
> > > >>...
> > > >You are saying companies should always have the right to fire employees
> > > >if they join an union.
> > > Not at all, please don't twist my words.
> > > Unfortunately, there *are* many places around the world where
> > > companies can do exactly that. There are many others where rights like
> > > this are enshrined in other laws. Debian is not an employer here, so I
> > > don't think your point is relevant?
> > I would hardly call it twisting your words.
> > Either private individuals and entities have freedom of association, or
> > they do not. You can't have it both ways.
> Freedom of association means the freedom to associate with who you chose to
> and the freedom to *not associate with people you don't*. It is an
> infringement of the freedom of association of all other Debian developers if
> we are not able to exclude someone based on the views they express and the
> actions they take.
Did Richard Stallman make an application to become a Debian Maintainer
or Debian Developer? It is not clear how Richard Stallman is "included"
in Debian in such a way that it would even make sense to move to exclude
> Labor rights are entirely different from "freedom of association".
Got it. We can discriminate, but they can't. Seems a touch irrational.
Roberto C. Sánchez