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Re: Willingness to share a position statement?

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 06:28:36PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:20:33PM +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 12:09:40AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > >On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 09:38:56PM +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > >>...
> > >> We *entirely* have the freedom to discriminate based on
> > >> what people say and do around us. We're not a government. We are *not*
> > >> in the situation where we *have* to support people saying things that we
> > >> believe to be bad, wrong and hurtful. It is *entirely* within our
> > >> rights to evaluate people by their words and actions and to decide
> > >> whether we wish to talk or work with them in future.
> > >>...

> > >You are saying companies should always have the right to fire employees 
> > >if they join an union.

> > Not at all, please don't twist my words.

> > Unfortunately, there *are* many places around the world where
> > companies can do exactly that. There are many others where rights like
> > this are enshrined in other laws. Debian is not an employer here, so I
> > don't think your point is relevant?

> I would hardly call it twisting your words.

> Either private individuals and entities have freedom of association, or
> they do not.  You can't have it both ways.

Freedom of association means the freedom to associate with who you chose to
and the freedom to *not associate with people you don't*.  It is an
infringement of the freedom of association of all other Debian developers if
we are not able to exclude someone based on the views they express and the
actions they take.

Labor rights are entirely different from "freedom of association".

Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer                                   https://www.debian.org/
slangasek@ubuntu.com                                     vorlon@debian.org

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