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Re: call for seconds: on firmware

On Sun, Nov 16 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:01:38PM +0000, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 16 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
>> > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 06:04:32PM +0000, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>> >> First of all, please stop the obnoxious cross-posting. It makes the
>> >> threads unreadable anyway.
>> >> 
>> >> (If you could stop the condescending and pedantic tone, that would help
>> >> as well, but I guess that would be asking too much of you.)
>> >> 
>> >> Le dimanche 16 novembre 2008 à 11:34 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
>> >> >         So, really, we cannot release programs (firmware) in main
>> >> >  without source code just because a few delegates think we should.
>> >> 
>> >> So another delegate (the secretary) should make the decision instead?
>> >
>> > I believe the sense of the vote is to clarify the DFSG and that there is
>> > no consensus on the matter. We could decide a 3:1 majority to say that
>> > firmwares are subject to the DFSG _as well_ as for saying that the
>> > firmwares are _not_ subject to the DFSG.
>>         The SC is pretty clear about everything in the Debian system
>>  (which includes  image .debs) should be  100% free. Not  just things in
>>  the Debian system that run on a host CPU (what is that, anyway) are
>>  free.
> The SC speaks about software, and doesn't define it. I believe software
> is what is interpreted or run on the host CPU, firmware is in a gray
> area. All is a matter of interpretation and I believe we have to settle
> that, once and for all. Firmwares are not going to disappear anytime
> soon, and playing that game for each release is destroying us from the
> inside.

        I tend to agree with:

        Back when I voted on the social contract, and now, I believe
 that everything computer related that is not hardware (or wetware), is
 software/. The article also states:

        Firmware which is software programmed resident to electrically
        programmable memory devices on board mainboards or other types
        of integrated hardware carriers 

        So, there seem to be a wide spread view that firmware are indeed

        I think that an entity, like a program, can have multiple
  * It starts life as wetware, when I think through the steps needed
  * It may have a stint as hardware (something tanngible), when I print
    it out, or write it out using pen and paper
  * When encoded as 0/1 and 1. it is in a software representation.

        I believe now, as I did then, that everything we distribute on a
 CD, being encoded in 0s and 1s, is software.

Every man is as God made him, ay, and often worse. Miguel de Cervantes
Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@debian.org> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/>  
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