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Re: call for seconds: on firmware

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:01:38PM +0000, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 16 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 06:04:32PM +0000, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> >> First of all, please stop the obnoxious cross-posting. It makes the
> >> threads unreadable anyway.
> >> 
> >> (If you could stop the condescending and pedantic tone, that would help
> >> as well, but I guess that would be asking too much of you.)
> >> 
> >> Le dimanche 16 novembre 2008 à 11:34 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
> >> >         So, really, we cannot release programs (firmware) in main
> >> >  without source code just because a few delegates think we should.
> >> 
> >> So another delegate (the secretary) should make the decision instead?
> >
> > I believe the sense of the vote is to clarify the DFSG and that there is
> > no consensus on the matter. We could decide a 3:1 majority to say that
> > firmwares are subject to the DFSG _as well_ as for saying that the
> > firmwares are _not_ subject to the DFSG.
>         The SC is pretty clear about everything in the Debian system
>  (which includes  image .debs) should be  100% free. Not  just things in
>  the Debian system that run on a host CPU (what is that, anyway) are
>  free.

The SC speaks about software, and doesn't define it. I believe software
is what is interpreted or run on the host CPU, firmware is in a gray
area. All is a matter of interpretation and I believe we have to settle
that, once and for all. Firmwares are not going to disappear anytime
soon, and playing that game for each release is destroying us from the

·O·  Pierre Habouzit
··O                                                madcoder@debian.org
OOO                                                http://www.madism.org

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