Re: debian-women obscurity, was: Clarification about krooger's platform

[Raul Miller <moth@debian.org>]

> Amaya <amaya@debian.org> wrote: [...]
> > [...] As there's is absolutely no seggregation in the debian-women
> > environment, men can benefit, and I'm sure *do* benefit, from this
> > wellcoming climate too. 

On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 11:52:50PM +0000, MJ Ray wrote:
> Is a bus with a whites-only section at the front segregated?

Is a bus with a white person sitting in a seat segregated?

I guess I hope you can see some of the differences, between a web page,
a bus, and a bus seat.  One of the issues with a bus is that there tend
to be more fumes in back than in the front.

But the big difference is that the distance you have to walk to the back
of the bus is quite a bit further than the difference you have to walk
to the front of the bus (given that you're getting on, at the front),
and there was this one little old lady who sat down at the front of
the bus, after she got on.  The results of that choice are what you're
presumably referring to when you talk about a bus with a whites-only
section at the front.

And, personally, I really don't see the relevance in the context of
this web page.  If you're tired, and want to just get stuff done, don't
you have your own web pages?  It's not like you have to get on someone
else's web page to go somewhere.  It's not like this web page is forcing
you onto some other server, or stealing bandwidth you could have been
using on the same server.

> Really, it is simple to make the debian-women project not
> segregated, but it seems clear from
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-women/2004/08/msg00100.html
> that segregation is intended for some parts. Why wouldn't
> profiling friendly male contributors help?

I think you're confusing that project with a web page.

Anyways, if you want to profile friendly male contributors, I think you
should go ahead and do so.

But the kinds of segregation you're talking about has little to do with
the sorts of unfair segregation you're alluding to.

I think you should be fair about this -- either bring up a specific
concrete problem where someone is being injured, or admit that you
don't have any such issue in mind.  

"You didn't put the people I want on your page" sounds more like the
whining of a petulant child than a serious issue.

-- 
Raul