On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:06:00AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: > * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second > this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? i am happy with this version of my amendment and the rationale for it. > * Those whose name appear but not seconding resolution, please approve > the use of your name in this context. (Anthony Towns and Ian Jackson) > If not OK, I will appreciate suggestion for the acceptable alternative. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Craig Sanders proposed the following resolution [1] (reformatted): > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Debian Project, > > affirming its commitment to principles of freeness for all works it > distributes, > > but recognizing that changing the Social Contract today would have grave > consequences for the upcoming stable release, a fact which does not > serve our goals or the interests of our users, > > hereby resolves: > > that the amendments to the Social Contract contained within the > General Resolution "Editorial Amendments To The Social Contract" > (2004 vote 003) be immediately rescinded. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Here is the list of rationale raised for this proposal: > * People can make mistake and should be allowed to correct it. > * This deserves to be an option on the ballet. > * Full impact assessment by Anthony Towns [3] revealed the hidden issues. > * We need to get the sarge out the door ASAP. [4] > * All other proposed GRs to get the sarge out are better than the > situation created by GR (2004-003). But they still seem to put heavy > limitations on the post-sarge releases. This proposal solves them > for good. [8] > * Title of GR (2004-003) was, at least, "misleading" although it may not > have been intentionally deceptive. > * Change of SC by GR (2004-003) was not clarification but a radical > change which subverts the original intent of the old SC. > * GR (2004-003) may have been incomplete. > * Rescinding GR (2004-003) will enable useful data, font, documentation, > and firmware [5] to be included in main. This will make Debian > useful distribution. > * Rescinding GR (2004-003) will clarify and affirm that the correct > interpretation of the word "software" in old SC does not include > things such as data, font, documentation, and firmware. > * Historical document [5] has its own value and even good willed > "editorial change" [6] may not be even desirable. (Some of us will also > support other proposals for the GR if they address our concern.) > * Obscure arrangement for distribution required by the GR (2004-003) may > marginalize Debian only for "Holier Than Stallman", i.e., the fringe > fanatics. We do not want to be seen chasing the _cause_ without > thinking its _consequence_ by doing this [7]. > * No apologetic statement in SC. > * We had enough discussion on this subject and some of us are sick of > it. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > References and their links: > [1]http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/04/msg00307.html (Craig Sanders) > > [2] As I see as of Thu, 06 May 2004 23:35:31 +0200: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/04/msg00322.html (Raphael Hertzog) > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/04/msg00329.html (Xavier Roche) > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/04/msg00339.html (Wouter Verhelst) > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/04/msg00393.html (Osamu Aoki) > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/04/msg00421.html (Marco d'Itri, need to be signed) > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/04/msg00422.html (Davide G. M. Salvetti) > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/04/msg00423.html (Raul Miller) > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/04/msg00427.html (Hamish Moffatt) > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/05/msg00089.html (Andreas Barth) > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/05/msg00075.html (Theodore > Ts'o, sig?) > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/05/msg00097.html (David N. Welton, DD?) > > [3]Anthony Towns: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/04/msg00074.html > > [4]The current situation over Debian in general is summarized by > Ian Jackson: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/05/msg00060.html > > [5]Although the fact that data, font, and documentation were not > restricted to be DSFG is obvious in the old SC since: > Old SC: Debian Will Remain 100% Free Software, > New SC: Debian Will Remain 100% Free. > Whether the firmware is software or not is a debatable one if the > word "software" is taken out of context. But it is clear that the > intent of 1997 SC did not consider the firmware component as a > software which is required to be DSFG free. This historical > perspective is the key here. See: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/05/msg00015.html > > [6]For example, change in SC section 3 from "immediately" to "promptly" > by itself can be a reasonable one to reflect our delay in the actual > process. > > [7]The interesting message with respect to the Freedom and Usefulness. > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/04/msg00205.html > (Theodore Ts'o) > > [8]Post-sarge situation and sarge-ignore are discussed: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/05/msg00089.html > > Osamu -- craig sanders <cas@taz.net.au> The next time you vote, remember that "Regime change begins at home"
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