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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2020 : Issue 146
Today's Topics:
Re: buster: low audio level [ "D. R. Evans" <doc.evans@gmail.com> ]
Running virtual systems [ Dennis Wicks <wix@mgssub.com> ]
Re: buster: low audio level [ Doug McGarrett <dmcgarrett@optonlin ]
Re: buster: low audio level [ Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> ]
Re: The nightmare of Intel Integrate [ "Miguel A. Vallejo" <ea4eoz@gmail.c ]
Re: Running virtual systems [ Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> ]
Re: Best file system to use? [ David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerd ]
Re: Running virtual systems [ David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerd ]
Re: Running virtual systems [ "Martin McCormick" <martin.m@sudden ]
Re: buster: low audio level [ Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.n ]
Re: Best file system to use? [ Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.n ]
Re: Re: The nightmare of Intel Integ [ T <vlists@indy.rr.com> ]
Re: buster: low audio level [ Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> ]
Re: Looking for FOSS supported PCIe [ Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmai ]
Re: Having trouble installing Debian [ Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmai ]
Re: The nightmare of Intel Integrate [ Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.n ]
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 16:58:42 -0700
From: "D. R. Evans" <doc.evans@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: buster: low audio level
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D. R. Evans wrote on 2/12/20 12:28 PM:
> Doug McGarrett wrote on 2/12/20 12:19 PM:
>>
>>
>> On 2/12/20 1:05 PM, D. R. Evans wrote:
>>> Jonas Smedegaard wrote on 2/12/20 10:43 AM:
>>>> Quoting D. R. Evans (2020-02-12 18:34:27)
>>>>> I just installed buster on a new (to me) machine, and the audio lev=
el
>>>>> is very low. With all the mixer controls and the physical volume
>>>>> control on the speakers turned up, I can hear audio, but even then =
it
>>>>> is unpleasantly quiet, certainly nothing one would want to listen t=
o.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions as to how to fix this, or even how to go about
>>>>> investigating it sensibly, would be gratefully received.
>>>>
>=20
>>>
>> You say this is a new machine, so it surely came with Windows. If you =
>=20
> No, I said it was new to me. It worked fine under Windows -- basically =
a
> gaming machine -- but now it has brand new disks with a clean install o=
f buster.
i have been corrected by the person from whom I bought it: it was previso=
uly
used as a server, not a gaming machine, and hence the sound was never use=
d.
For what it's worth, "aplay -l" says, for the port I'm using:
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC888-VD Analog [ALC888-VD Analog=
]
Subdevices: 0/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
Doc
--=20
Web: http://enginehousebooks.com/drevans
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 18:07:17 -0600
From: Dennis Wicks <wix@mgssub.com>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Running virtual systems
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Greetings;
The last time that I ran any virtual systems virtualbox and
other software was the only way to go. Now I see that there
is support in hardware for running virtual systems directly.
I am running Buster on AMD Ryzen. What is the best way to
run virtual systems, and where can I find some good doc? The
first thing I need to run is Windows 10 so I can get my
taxes done! Then maybe a couple of small Debian and Windows
systems for testing and development of WP thems and websites
and similar.
Many TIA!
Dennis
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:15:57 -0500
From: Doug McGarrett <dmcgarrett@optonline.net>
To: Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk>, "D. R. Evans" <doc.evans@gmail.com>,
debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: buster: low audio level
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On 2/12/20 6:39 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting D. R. Evans (2020-02-12 23:54:16)
>> Jonas Smedegaard wrote on 2/12/20 3:19 PM:
>>
/snip/
> is more resource heave in my experience. An area righ in bikeshedding.
>
What on earth is bikeshedding? That's a new one on me!
/snip/
>
> Good luck,
>
> - Jonas
>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 01:48:16 +0100
From: Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: buster: low audio level
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Quoting Doug McGarrett (2020-02-13 01:15:57)
>=20
>=20
> On 2/12/20 6:39 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Quoting D. R. Evans (2020-02-12 23:54:16)
> >> Jonas Smedegaard wrote on 2/12/20 3:19 PM:
> >>
> /snip/
>=20
> > is more resource heave in my experience. An area righ in bikeshedding.
> >=20
> What on earth is bikeshedding? That's a new one on me!
That's when you ask something in a large community that is easy to have=20
an opinion on and with many possible opinions - e.g. asking "which color=20
should we paint our bikeshed?" or "what disk format is best" or "which=20
computer should I buy?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality
- Jonas
--=20
* Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt
* Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/
[x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 01:51:42 +0100
From: "Miguel A. Vallejo" <ea4eoz@gmail.com>
To: Geoff Reidy <geoff.reidy@gmail.com>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: The nightmare of Intel Integrated GPUs under Linux in general and
Debian in particular
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Geoff Reidy wrote:
> I've never had an Intel GPU but always had the impression they
> were pretty solid, but my opinion is changing.
As a user of Intel GPUs for the last 5 years I can tell you Intel GPUs
and Linux are just a nightmare. A truly pain in the ass.
> Note that kernel 5.5 may still have issues
Yeah, I read it. I have been playing with the xserver-xorg-video-intel
in Buster with kernel 4.19.0-8 and trying different options in
xorg.conf I didn't get any hang since 10 hours ago, almost a new
record for me. Also text console corruption has disappeared, so I will
use this configuration to try to get pending work done, and then.... I
will see. I still don't rule out buying a new graphics card.
Thank you for all your comments and suggestions. They are really helping me.
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 20:05:34 -0500
From: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Running virtual systems
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 18:07:17 -0600
Dennis Wicks <wix@mgssub.com> wrote:
> Greetings;
>
> The last time that I ran any virtual systems virtualbox and
> other software was the only way to go. Now I see that there
> is support in hardware for running virtual systems directly.
> I am running Buster on AMD Ryzen. What is the best way to
> run virtual systems, and where can I find some good doc? The
> first thing I need to run is Windows 10 so I can get my
> taxes done! Then maybe a couple of small Debian and Windows
> systems for testing and development of WP thems and websites
> and similar.
I do my taxes with TurboTax in a Windows VM. I use qemu / kvm, managed
by libvirt, using the virt-manager GUI (and for other VMs as well).
Unfortunately, I don't know any simple guide to get started - everyone
talks about how easy it is, but there are numerous gotchas that will
frustrate you until you get used to them - but it does work
beautifully once you get the hang of it. Feel free to ask questions!
Celejar
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 17:24:44 -0800
From: David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Best file system to use?
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On 2020-02-12 15:55, Dennis Wicks wrote:
> I have 4TB running on an AMD Ryzen under Buster. What is the current
> consensus of the best file system to use for general data usage? I have
> been using xfs but that is based on info from many years ago.
I was using btrfs for system drives (boot, swap, root), but ran into
problems because I was not balancing them. Now I use ext4 for system
drives. I use FreeBSD, ZFS, and RAID for data drives.
David
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 18:22:24 -0800
From: David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Running virtual systems
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On 2020-02-12 16:07, Dennis Wicks wrote:
> The last time that I ran any virtual systems virtualbox and other
> software was the only way to go. Now I see that there is support in
> hardware for running virtual systems directly. I am running Buster on
> AMD Ryzen. What is the best way to run virtual systems, and where can I
> find some good doc? The first thing I need to run is Windows 10 so I can
> get my taxes done! Then maybe a couple of small Debian and Windows
> systems for testing and development of WP thems and websites and similar.
I typically enable all CPU virtualization features in CMOS Setup, and
assume the various virtualization solutions will make use of them.
I use FreeBSD and jails for 24x7 services (CVS and Samba).
I have used VirtualBox on Debian Xfce and macOS hosts over the past
several years. The GUI manager is convenient for a few VM's, but would
be a problem for many VM's. I recall setting up headless VM's for
services, but for get the details. I ran a Debian Xfce graphical
desktop VM in VirtualBox on macOS for nearly a year, but key mapping/
binding was a constant nuisance and graphics was adversely impacted
(especially multimedia). Graphical desktop environments, such as Xfce
and Windows, are best installed directly on hardware. Be sure to pick
hardware for which Windows 10 is actively supported by the manufacturer.
David
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 21:01:57 -0600
From: "Martin McCormick" <martin.m@suddenlink.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Running virtual systems
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I ran Freebsd as a virtual system on a Mac Pro at work
for a year or so (I don't remember exactly how long) and it
worked very well with vbox until one day when Apple updated MacOS
and poof! my vm died.
The only problem I had before that was one most people
wouldn't have in that the low-level setup of the VM sent it's
output in video rather than text so anyone who uses a screen
reader can't rescue it easily if it gets in to trouble at that
point.
As soon as the VM boots, the output you would see on a
console or serial terminal appears in the host's output and one
can run it normally from there.
The one lesson is Linux or FreeBSD is probably a better
host platform because stuff that works under either of those two
OS's tends to stay longer and isn't apt to fall casualty to
commercial whims.
I still mostly like MacOS and even Windows these days but
having the machine my mail was on just suddenly vaporize without
any warning soured me a bit and I never put another VM on that
Mac.
Martin
David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> writes:
> I typically enable all CPU virtualization features in CMOS Setup, and
> assume the various virtualization solutions will make use of them.
>
>
>
> I use FreeBSD and jails for 24x7 services (CVS and Samba).
>
>
>
> I have used VirtualBox on Debian Xfce and macOS hosts over the past
> several
> years. The GUI manager is convenient for a few VM's, but would be a
> problem
> for many VM's. I recall setting up headless VM's for services, but for get
> the details. I ran a Debian Xfce graphical desktop VM in VirtualBox on
> macOS for nearly a year, but key mapping/ binding was a constant nuisance
> and graphics was adversely impacted (especially multimedia). Graphical
> desktop environments, such as Xfce and Windows, are best installed
> directly
> on hardware. Be sure to pick hardware for which Windows 10 is actively
> supported by the manufacturer.
>
>
>
> David
>
>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 14:45:53 +1300
From: Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: buster: low audio level
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On 13/02/2020 13:48, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Doug McGarrett (2020-02-13 01:15:57)
>> What on earth is bikeshedding? That's a new one on me!
> That's when you ask something in a large community that is easy to have
> an opinion on and with many possible opinions - e.g. asking "which color
> should we paint our bikeshed?" or "what disk format is best" or "which
> computer should I buy?"
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality
The choice of easy problems with many possible solutions is the observed
behaviour, but the outcome is that "members of an organization give
disproportionate weight to trivial issues".
Kind regards,
--
Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz>
Director
Transient Software Limited <https://transient.nz/>
New Zealand
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 15:00:30 +1300
From: Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Best file system to use?
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On 13/02/2020 12:55, Dennis Wicks wrote:
> I have 4TB running on an AMD Ryzen under Buster. What is the current
> consensus of the best file system to use for general data usage? I have
> been using xfs but that is based on info from many years ago.
With apologies to Samuel L Jackson (as Beaumont in Jackie Brown): ext4.
The very best there is. When you absolutely, positively got to have the
most robust and widely deployed Linux filesystem, accept no substitute.
In all seriousness, unless you have niche performance needs and
quantitative evidence to support them, or require fat32 for
interoperability (and are willing to sacrifice Unix permissions and file
size), do not overlook the robustness and ubiquity of ext4.
Kind regards,
--
Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz>
Director
Transient Software Limited <https://transient.nz/>
New Zealand
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 00:24:24 -0500
From: T <vlists@indy.rr.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Re: The nightmare of Intel Integrated GPUs under Linux in general
and Debian in particular
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Have you monitored your CPU temperatures?
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 23:02:32 +0000
From: Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
To: Debian Users ML <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: buster: low audio level
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 15:54:16 -0700
"D. R. Evans" <doc.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello D.,
>All the outputs are set to 100.
Don't ignore inputs. They can have volume settings, too.
--=20
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
I ain't got no time for intellectual music, e.g. Hergest Ridge
Heads Down No Nonsense Mindless Boogie - Alberto y Lost Trios Paranoias
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 10:01:38 +0200
From: Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Looking for FOSS supported PCIe x4 SATA 6 Gb/s HBA with 4 or 8
ports
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On Mi, 12 feb 20, 23:39:20, deloptes wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>=20
> > Could you please elaborate or provide a reference for this?
> >=20
> > While my 3TB WD Red doesn't appear to have problems with my current
> > usage, I'd like to be prepared.
>=20
> Google "western digital wd red 4tb issues" or "western digital wd red 3tb
> issues"
A quick DDG doesn't reveal anything particularly worrying about the 3TB=20
drives. Mine has been running 1,5 year with no apparent issues.
Kind regards,
Andrei
--=20
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 10:15:42 +0200
From: Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Having trouble installing Debian on brand new hard drive
Message-ID: <[🔎] 20200213081542.ymwxwemrdxzskmpr@cbuster.nuvreauspam>
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On Mi, 12 feb 20, 09:08:26, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 03:01:52PM +0100, Klaus Singvogel wrote:
> > kaye n wrote:
> > > *For the future, you could paste the (relevant part from) the output =
of
> > > 'parted -l'.*
> > > Just curious, never encountered that command before.
> > > kaye@laptop:~$ parted -l
> > > bash: parted: command not found
> >=20
> > You can install it then: "sudo apt-get install parted"
> > But I prefer output of "lsblk"; but this is only a matter of taste.
>=20
> lsblk is nice because it doesn't seem to require root.
=20
In particular 'lsblk -f', especially since output of 'mount' is=20
cluttered with lots of other file systems that are not relevant when=20
looking at storage.
> fdisk -l is another choice (requires root, though).
>=20
> fdisk was *the* go-to command a few decades back, but it was discouraged
> for a while because it was slow to adopt GPT support. Current versions
> of fdisk support GPT disk partitioning, so it's back on the acceptable
> list.
The advantage of 'parted -l' vs. 'fdisk -l' (especially in this=20
situation) is that it also shows if the partition has a file system and=20
what type.
Kind regards,
Andrei
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http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 21:19:41 +1300
From: Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: The nightmare of Intel Integrated GPUs under Linux in general and
Debian in particular
Message-ID: <[🔎] 5ef53c24-9383-035b-16b8-eb7ee1896bfc@transient.nz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">[🔎] 5ef53c24-9383-035b-16b8-eb7ee1896bfc@transient.nz>
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On 13/02/2020 18:24, T wrote:
> Have you monitored your CPU temperatures?
mprime (AKA Prime95) is a well-known CPU stress tester.
I would also test memory with multiple concurrent instances of
memtester. All problems I suspected of being caused by CPU overheating
were in fact caused by RAM (most recently, a tiny overclock that seemed
safe and harmless but caused intermittent corruption). Integrated GPUs
are totally reliant on system RAM.
There is also gputest, but I have not used it.
Kind regards,
--
Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz>
Director
Transient Software Limited <https://transient.nz/>
New Zealand