Re: Was: Ric Moore
On Sunday 18 January 2015 14:12:03 Joe did opine
And Gene did reply:
> On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 15:38:25 -0500
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> Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> wrote:
> > Unfortunately, the last 9 debian/ubuntu flavored installs, on 4
> > machines here, have all ran up against Network-Mangler, which
> > promptly tore down any attempts I successfully made to get it online.
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> > Sorry, but network manager is a sore spot for my local network, and
> > will be until such time as it is no longer a daemon that cannot even
> > be killed.
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> > This isn't winderz folks, get rid of useless crap please.
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> It may not be Windows, but if you have Gnome, it nearly is. How about a
> netinstall to Xfce, then if you really, really need some of Gnome,
> install it bit by bit and not with the metapackage? It may well be
> possible to get just the bits of Gnome that you want, without NM.
I tend to be WM agnostic as long as it can run kmail.
> I actually deliberately have NM on my netbook, laptop and boot-anywhere
> hard drive, all without Gnome. I use wi-fi, a mobile dongle and
> OpenVPN, and it seems to deal with all of them reasonably sensibly,
> though I certainly remember a time when it was utterly useless. I do
> have DHCP at home, and of course so does everywhere I use the mobile
> stuff.
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> I don't have NM on my home workstation, which uses that old-fashioned
> Ethernet cable stuff.
So do I, there is about a 100' piece of cat5 that has been blowing in the
wind for a decade, running from the house to the shop building with the
cnc machines in it, a small hub there feeds another 75 feet that runs back
to the garage. What you call old & slow 100 megabit stuff, it Just
Works(TM) Amazingly, it even survived a 112+ mph wind in 2010 that took
part of my roof off, all the board fencing down, and took 3, 55 foot 40 YO
pines down by breaking them off 8 feet up in the air. But that piece of
cat5 is still there, and still working.
So how did you kill NM on your workstation?
> I don't have Gnome on the workstation either, but
> I do have various Gnome bits such as Nautilus. It really should be
> possible to avoid NM, but probably not without some effort.
Using information that it seems to me, is deliberately withheld from the
user. Or I have not learned in 80 years, how to ask the right question..
Thanks Joe.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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