On 10/10/14 18:15, PETER ZOELLER wrote:
And this is being hard coded in my opinion since it forces it to be installed as a default with no other option given and required for example if you want to use Gnome.
It turns out to be the case that cases where Gnome fails to operate correctly without systemd as PID 1 are in fact being treated as bugs:
https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/testing.html - the list of release-critical bugs in Debian jessie, which refers to:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=759745 - a release-critical bug filed against gdm3, the X display manager provided as a component of Gnome 3.
Failure of the Debian Installer to offer a convenient mechanism for selecting the init system to be installed can reasonably be argued to be a bug in the installer, which you might want to consider reporting.
This system has been shown to be troublesome, is only one of many ways to handle the boot process, and forcing other distributions to either accept it or fall by the way side. A rather strong arm tactic of Microsoft. I loved Linux because of the freedom to choose, modify and configure it to what I want and need. Right now there are only two distro's left that do not use systemd and soon there will be none. This is madness. Systemd is a kludge, poorly designed, overly complex. and too convoluted leaving it open to being cracked and its host system compromised by the crackers of the world.
It seems to me that if a cracker is in a position to exploit whatever attack surface systemd presents, your system has already been compromised.
Until ALL the bugs are out and it has proven itself to be 100% stable and 100% secure it has no business being a part of a stable operating system.
If that's your position, why are you using an operating system based on the Linux kernel? The Linux kernel has bugs, it is not 100% stable, and it is not 100% secure.