Re: Let's have a vote!
Scott Ferguson <scott.ferguson.debian.user@gmail.com> writes:
> On 26/09/14 07:34, lee wrote:
>> Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> writes:
>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 03:04:24PM +0200, lee wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Systemd can handle the boot process from head to toe, without needing
>>>>> to use any of the existing shell scripts.
>>>>
>>>> That's how systemd makes the boot process cryptic and non-debuggable.
>>>
>>> If you can understand start-stop-daemon, I'm sure systemd isn't much
>>> harder.
>>
>> I never needed to understand it.
>
> Noted. (and adequately demonstrated that you don't understand it - it
> "just works for you" - like systemd does).
It works only as long as it does. I've seen how difficult it is to do a
very simple thing with systemd, how poor the documentation is and how
confused the developers are. When systemd fails, chance to fix it are
as good as non-existent.
>>>>> Systemd unit files, unlike SysV scripts, can usually be shipped by
>>>>> upstream, or at least shared with other distributions (already more
>>>>> than 1000 existing unit files in Fedora) without any changes, the
>>>>> Debian specifics being handled by systemd itself.
>>>>
>>>> So Debian even has its own version of systemd to make things more
>>>> complicated.
>>>
>>> Debian has it's own idiosyncrasies of sysvinit, so this is a point to
>>> neither side.
>>
>> They are simple scripts which are easy to understand.
>
> Either you understand it or you don't. Pick one. It's an approach that
> may lead to principles and credibility (at the possible cost of
> self-righteousness - bonus!).
What are you trying to say? Something like "It doesn't matter when you
write everything in Japanese because someone either understands it or
not."?
>>> Users DO get a vote. Every time you download an ISO for debian, that's a
>>> vote. Every time you install a system as debian, that's a vote.
>>
>> It would be a vote nobody knows or cares about.
>
>
> It's a personal choice. If you require a crowd of support as moral
> justification you're doing it wrong.
Just ask yourself: Why would someone choose to download an ISO for
Debian?
>>> As has been mentioned several times on this list, the best way to get
>>> systemd out of debian is to develop an init system that is technically
>>> superior to systemd.
>>> [...]
>>
>> There seems to be quite some disagreement about systemds' technical
>> superiority.
>>
>>> When your new init system is ready for show time, either submit it to
>>> debian (if you'd like debian to lead the way) or create your own
>>> distribution to showcase the init system. Let people see the ease with
>>> which your new system tackles the problems of both sysvinit and systemd.
>>> Let them play with it and marvel at the clean, robust code.
>>>
>>> We look forward to the fruits of your efforts!
>>
>> That'll be a long wait. Even if I made another init system, it would be
>> ignored like everything else.
>
> Circular logic much? And it justifies what? Others doing the work for
> you - on the basis that you've previously *alleged* your "work" was
> unfairly rejected in the past. If 'it' is Open Source, not some
> hypocritical SLitt license, then provide a link and let the code speak
> for itself.
It gives me reason not to waste my time with making software for others.
There are other reasons to do it, and I might give out what I make as
open source or keep it for myself. That's probably along the lines of
what most people do.
If you want a link, I've posted one in another thread earlier today.
Perhaps you want to play some sort of childish game here about who made
the most software, so what software did you make?
Or perhaps you don't realise that you got things the wrong way round.
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