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Re: FWIW: the modularization of systemd

Joel Rees wrote:
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 9:43 PM, The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> wrote:
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On 07/21/2014 04:24 AM, Joel Rees wrote:

I decided to do a search on "systemd openbsd" to see what reaction
those friendly guys over there have, and I discovered the list of
projects the openbsd team offered to mentor in this year's GSOC.


And I'm deliberately not just linking one or three items because
working through the links that search brings up is probably one of the
best ways to get a really sharp focus on just exactly what the
arguments over systemd are all about.

(Buried in there is a clue that is probably about as important as any:
Does openbsd use sysvinit or upstart or something else?)

If the vicissitudes of linkage lose the stuff about GSOC, just add it
to the search terms:


Whether the student who decided to take on the modularization of
systemd, to break all the gratuitous dependencies, succeeds or not,
it's clear that this is another of the messes we've created here in
Linuxland that they are going to try to help us clean up.
I seem to recall having read (I think here on this list) that it's been
explicitly stated by systemd upstream that patches to make the "core
components" not depend on one another will not be accepted.
The openbsd team has no qualms about forking and/or replacing stuff
that is contrary to good engineering principles. The modularization
they are working on is for their own use. It will still likely be a
very useful starting point for the debian devs, when they get the

Meanwhile, it sure looks like the OpenSolaris spawn (Illumos, OpenIndiana, Nexanta, SmartOS, ... ) are gathering steam as a serious third alternative to Linux and the BSDs. And with enough mid-sized commercial players that we don't have a situation where one company can force something down everybody's throats.

Gotta say, as soon as there's a Xen Dom0 for either FreeBSD or Illumos, I'll seriously look at moving.

Miles Fidelman

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   .... Yogi Berra

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