On 10/21/2013 3:49 PM, berenger.morel@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 19.10.2013 04:48, Jerry Stuckle a écrit :On 10/18/2013 7:33 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:berenger.morel@neutralite.org wrote:Le 18.10.2013 17:50, Jerry Stuckle a écrit :And, again, just a guess, but I'm guessing the huge percentage of programmers these days are writing .NET code on vanilla Windows machines (not that I like it, but it does seem to be a fact of life). A lot of people also seem to be writing stored SQL procedures to run on MS SQL.Bad guess. .NET is way down the list of popularity (much to Microsoft's chagrin). COBOL is still number 1; C/C++ still way surpass .NET. And MSSQL is well behind MySQL in the number of installations (I think Oracle is still #1 with DB2 #2).I wonder where did you had those numbers? Usually, in various studies, COBOL is not even in the 5 firsts. I do not say that those studies are pertinent, they are obviously not, since their methods always shows problems. But, it does not means that they are completely wrong, and I mostly use them as very vague indicators. So, I would like were you had your indicators, I may find that interesting for various reasons.Yeah. I kind of quesiton those numbers as well.As I said - Parks Associates - a well known and respected research firm.The sources I tend to check: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.htmlThis one is quite funny, I know it. That's not the only one I know, of course, but it is the quoted one when someone wants to troll a bit about languages popularity.
Try well-respected research firms. www.tiobe.com isn't. Parks Associates, OTOH, is a research firm well known and respected by businesses around the world. They provide research on a huge number of topics every year. Their reports aren't cheap - but businesses gladly pay for them because they are accurate.
http://langpop.com/ both have C and Java shooting it out for top spot http://trendyskills.com/ (analysis of job postings) has JavaScript, Java, and C# battling it out COBOL is in the noise.Do you really think PC job boards are a good indication of what languages are most used?Most used? No. Most used to create new stuff and maintain old ones? Yes. You need people to maintain and create softwares, and you can find people with job boards. In fact, job boards can give a partial image of what is needed, in current real world. Partial, of course. But there is no way to have an exact and complete image.
Yea, right. How many programming jobs do you see from major companies like IBM, Bank of America, United Parcel Service or any other major company with lots of programmers? The answer is - NONE. Yet they all have huge numbers of programmers.
And yes, there is a way to have at least a *more* exact and complete image. You hire a research firm which knows what it is doing to survey the world.
COBOL is still used, but tend to disappear, you can like it or not. I spoke with 2 persons which were able to give me reports that COBOL was still used: a friend from my studies that I have met anew last year in train, and a teacher which was doing... well, good question? But at least it allowed me to see some real COBOL code for the first time. I do not mean that I have met a lot of programmers, but clearly, COBOL is not something which will last for decades.
Not according to REAL research. COBOL is still very heavily used; in large finance, it's about the only language used other than web sites.
However, do not worry for it: being #20 or better means it is a widely used language.
Like it or not, it is #1. But you refuse to acknowledge the truth. You'd rather rely on job board listings.
Such is the fate of those unwilling to learn. Jerry