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On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 12:04 -0300, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
> Em 09-04-2013 11:26, Ralf Mardorf escreveu:
> > On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 11:12 -0300, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
> >> Em 09-04-2013 08:38, Ralf Mardorf escreveu:
> >>> On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 22:56 -0300, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
> >>>> Em 08-04-2013 08:03, Ralf Mardorf escreveu:
> >>>>> This is an international mailing list and the rules should be civilized
> >>>>> and not taken from banana republics.
> >>>> I don't like offtopic subjects, but since I am supposed to be civilized
> >>>> in this international mailing list I have to ask what are the standards
> >>>> here. What do you mean by banana republic? Maybe the USA which uses to
> >>>> promote coup d'état against elected governments all over the world and
> >>>> invade countries after spreading a lot of FUD? Or England, France
> >>>> Germany and Japan, which destroyed half of the world with their
> >>>> imperialism throughout the 19th and 20th centuries?
> >>> The real world isn't a strawberry field, but a hard place. Communities
> >>> unfortunately have got bat "habits". I'm against this, but getting rid
> >>> of it, political correctness isn't the way to go. People need to learn
> >>> more from Konrad Lorenz, if they are unable to get enlightenment by them
> >>> self.
> >>>
> >>> A "banana republic" in Germany is a term for a community that does fight
> >>> against it's own members. IOW, it's not nice, but reality, that one
> >>> nation fucks another nation, but within a community (society), we don't
> >>> vote with a bullet, as it is done in "banana republics".
> >>>
> >>> If somebody discredit my prophet the Holy Penguin I even don't kill the
> >>> ambassador of a _foreign_ nation/community/society. And my prophet by
> >>> the way isn't a child molesters as Mohamed was (not meant to offend
> >>> somebody, Mohamed lived in another age, sure, in the Occident they were
> >>> child molesters too and especially Christians still tend to be it today,
> >>> just follow the news, before you claim I offend netiquette, I simply
> >>> speak out the truth).
> >>>
> >>> So in the Islamic world they might not have banana plantations, but they
> >>> behave in way, we call "banana republic" here.
> >>>
> >> Your response is anything but civilized. It is arrogant, not to say
> >> irrational. You initially used as a model of the uncivilized the "banana
> >> republics", that are just poor countries that are economically exploited
> >> and politically dominated by powerful empires (as the standard
> >> definition, not the one that you made up) and now you imply that all
> >> muslims are terrorists. You must take more caution with words and
> >> thoughts in an "international mailing list". And by the way, Konrad
> >> Lorenz was a nazi that later denied everything he said about jews and
> >> racist ideas. Maybe you learned your incoherence from him?
> > Stop spreading lies about me. I never made any claim about terrorism.
> Yes you did in an implicit form, like I said. You implied that muslims 
> kill the ambassador of a foreign nation/country/society when somebody 
> discredited their prophet. Anyone can read this.
> > And being poor doesn't mean that there is the need to vote with bullets
> > as it is done in those countries.
> I don't understand what you want to say here.
> >   Konrad Lorenz was a behavioral
> > scientist and his work is respected and important. A NAZI? Maybe, maybe
> > not,
> He was both and I don't know which is worse when discussing human 
> civilizations: to cite an animal behavior scientist or  to cite a nazi. 
> Much harm was already done when trying to "apply" darwinism do social 
> sciences.
> >   but if you call me a NAZI you've got a problem now. Get me?!
> I never called you a nazi. I was just pointing Konrad Lorenz's 
> incoherence in his political life and comparing to the incoherence of 
> your post. I know it may be painful for a german to be compared to a 
> nazi, as may be painful to a muslin to be compared to a terrorist. It is 
> painful to me to see the expression "banana republic" (my country was a 
> banana republic for a long time and it still is in some sense) as a 
> model of lack of civilization. Maybe you realize now that political 
> correctness is important.
> > You should respect freedom of expression
> This is valid for everyone, including you. I fail to see when I 
> disregarded freedom of expression.
> >   and stop making conclusions
> > about me or anybody else.
> >
> I never took any conclusion about you. I was commenting about what you 
> have written.

Ok, no hard feelings! Let's stop it. I still disagree that political
correctness is helpful. FWIW Germans can be black, Germans can be
Muslims, _without_  migrations background and Germans could have
migrations backgrounds, e.g. coming from "banana republics". It doesn't
help to hide truth just because it's uncomfortable. I'm neither blond
nor do I have blue eyes. I only asked t stop spreading "MICROSOFT HIRED
THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE" and directly asked to continue at
Debian off-topic. I guess I'll filter this thread now as being junk.

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