Re: Newbie wants Firefox and Tbird
Steve Lamb wrote:
>Kent West wrote:
>>So, I'm confused. Are you saying that the logging capability of sudo
>>provides a benefit on a single-user machine (my claim), or not (the
> I pointed out that sudo provides logging. You got into the semantics of
>logging "Ah-HA, you said only who and what, but it also includes WHEN!" My
>original point regardless of which W word attached to it is that sudo provides
>logging of whom did what. In a single-user machine that is known.
I'm still confused.
The original claim was that sudo provides no benefit on a single-user
We both seem to agree that sudo provides logging.
You claim that you don't need logging on a single-user machine, because
you know what you (the single-user admin) did when, whereas I claim that
I find it useful to have a record of what I've done when.
So, are you saying the logging provided by sudo on a single-user machine
is or is not a benefit?
> Let's see.... Only I have access to root. It must've been... Kernel
>Kustard in /dev/audio with gcc that changed my apache.conf file! Nope, sorry,
>I know whom did it... ME. I know what I did. I was there doing it! I don't
>need logging to tell me that!
Oh, you're saying that the logging provided by sudo on a single-user
machine is not a benefit.
Okay, I can see that you don't find benefit in using sudo. I still
disagree with the global claim (which is what this entire thread has
been about) that there is "*NO* benefit" to using sudo on a single-user
>>However, if one
>>person, anywhere, finds sudo to be of benefit on a single-user machine,
>>then the claim that there is "*NO* benefit of sudo" is simply incorrect.
>>(I myself am such a person, so this is not just a hypothetical possibility.)
> Just becaonse one person finds benefit doesn't mean the benefit is real,
>tangible and generally applicable.
I don't believe I ever said the benefit was generally applicable. What I
said is that the claim that there is "*NO* benefit" to using sudo on a
single-user machine is incorrect.
If you are correct that any perceived benefits are not real and
tangible, then the claim that there is no benefit to using sudo on a
single-user machine is correct.
I believe there are tangible benefits to using sudo on a single-user
It seems to me to be a matter of opinion.
If so, then the claim that there is "*NO* benefit" of using sudo on a
single-user machine is not a fact, but is an opinion. So perhaps I was
wrong to say that the claim is incorrect; I should have said that it's
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