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Re: Help!

On Sat, September 10, 2005 10:22 am, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 09:49:53PM -0500, Michael Martinell wrote:
>> On Fri, September 9, 2005 8:53 pm, Carl Fink wrote:
>> > On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 05:30:29PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
>> >
>> >>     If you install an OS, expect to read docs, period.
>> >
>> > No.
>> >
>> > Any information needed to make a choice should be PART OF THE PROGRAM
>> (minus
>> > very rare cases).  Why make the new user go searching?
>> > --
>> If you are so lazy as to not want to read through the getting started guide
>> then you don't have much of a future period.  Most things in life that are
>> worth doing require study - driving a car, being a doctor, being a computer
>> tech, it doesn't really matter.  If you are looking for instant
>> gratification
>> watch tv and allow the television stations to think for you while the
>> government takes care of you.  This thinking sounds like a typical liberal
>> to
>> me - unable to take care of yourself, (minus very rare cases).
> I've tried to avoid responding to this bait many times but it's really
> getting too much.
> I've always considered a "typical" liberal to want primarily to
> take care of people, not to be taken care of.  The intent being to
> structure society so that most everyone will get to the point of
> being able to take care of themselves as opposed to being downtrodden.
> -- hendrik

Since you responded here is my completely off-topic response.

Interesting.  I work part time at an adjustment training center helping those
who are mentally handicapped get to the point where they can take care of
themselves.  These are people who are striving to acheive greater things in
life than being constantly cared for by others and are definately not lazy. 
Many of them are more than happy to get information in whatever way they can
to achieve independence.  I have also known many self professed liberals who
meet my definition.  Those would be the "normal" people who can't meet their
daily needs without the government telling them how to think and how to live. 
By your definition I am a liberal, which I can assure you that I am not - at
least not by my definition.  I believe that everybody in society should do as
much as they are capable of to push the society forward to acheive the highest
point it possibly can.  By necessity this means that not everybody will be
equal, hence some will be downtrodden.  That is the choice that they will make
to remain that way.  Inaction is a choice.  By the way I grew up in your
downtrodden mass as a farm hand.  I just barely graduated high school -
probably would not have by today's standards.  This is because I was lazy and
did not study.  It was my fault and I learned to stop thinking that it was
society's fault.  When I realized that I also realized that I could change
stations in life.  I did this with no outside government or societal
assistance.  I fully beleive that most of the "downtrodden" can do the same
without government aid.  If they have something actually wrong with them that
is one thing, however it seems that most of them that I personally know are
just too lazy.  Certainly too lazy to read the manual.  (That was the point of
my original post.)

Of course the only thing we will probably agree on is that we disagree with

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