Re: [OT] Re: how do you protect from spammers in Debian lists?
All clear. Thanks a lot!
On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 09:46:30PM -0600, s. keeling wrote:
> Incoming from David Jardine:
> > On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 04:43:43PM -0600, s. keeling wrote:
> > > Incoming from David Jardine:
> > > >
> > > > What worries me is the spam that is sent out under my name. Just
> > >
> > > I get bounces from clueless mail admins all the time. If they'd spend
> > > two seconds scanning the original's Received: headers, they'd know I
> > > had nothing to do with it. Blast it back to those fools and tell them
> >
> > The messages I've been receiving (was receiving - I haven't had any
> > today - perhaps they're using your address now) were polite
> > (automated, I imagine) statements of inabilty to deliver the message
>
> Those are the ones I was talking about. "no such user" or "account
> not found" or some such.
>
> > - no accusations of spamming. There must be masses of email flying
>
> It was me assuming it was a spammer with an old address list. An
> email sent to fifty bad email addresses at AOHell using my From:
> doesn't sound like a legitimate, well maintained, opt-in mailing list.
> It sounds like a spammer forging my From: address.
>
> > around all the time with mis-typed addresses; isn't the appropriate
> > response to return it to the apparent sender? That's a real question,
> > not a rhetorical one.
>
> Once, it was. Now, 65% - 80% of network traffic is spam or malware.
> Now, it's smarter to assume that if you sent Joe an email and don't
> hear back within a couple of days, either Joe's on holidays or his
> spam filter is set too tight, so you should send him another one or
> call him. Sending something that instead looks (to your average
> Windows user) like a MTA error message is a waste of time, effort,
> and bandwidth.
>
> > The worry I had was about the reject messages I didn't get. If the
> > Peoria Inter-Denominational College of Neo-Tibetan Goldfish Juggling
> > received thirty of my dollops of spam, who else was getting them and
> > was I being put on blacklists by, well, "clueless mail admins" and
> > "fools" with "idiotic mail-bots"?
>
> The clueless might report you, but those who actually manage said
> lists aren't that dumb. There needs to be some pretty damning
> evidence that's provably from you to hurt you. Alternatively, your
> ISP could be so clueless as to let the situation get out of hand.
> Generally, if your ISP is up front and responsible about killing
> abuser's accounts from his IPs, he won't have any problem, and
> consequently neither will you for using his services.
>
> > I would gladly help to educate the people I do get reject messages
> > from, but what exactly do I tell them?
>
> Spamcop.net! When you report spam, they analyze it to death, and mail
> you back a URL you can go to to see the result. That URL could be
> mailed to them if they need convincing. btw, Spamcop reporter IDs are
> free.
>
> > > Spammers are forging From: addresses, have been for at least a year,
> >
> > This message comes to you with a forged From: address courtesy of the
> > rewrite rules in /etc/exim/exim.conf. Excuse me, there was a knock
> > on the door. Must be Spamcop...
>
> Munging email addresses isn't illegal. It's just counter-productive.
> How are you going to kill them if they can't find you?!? :-)
>
>
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