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Re: [OT] Re: how do you protect from spammers in Debian lists?



All clear.  Thanks a lot!


On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 09:46:30PM -0600, s. keeling wrote:
> Incoming from David Jardine:
> > On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 04:43:43PM -0600, s. keeling wrote:
> > > Incoming from David Jardine:
> > > > 
> > > > What worries me is the spam that is sent out under my name.  Just 
> > > 
> > > I get bounces from clueless mail admins all the time.  If they'd spend
> > > two seconds scanning the original's Received: headers, they'd know I
> > > had nothing to do with it.  Blast it back to those fools and tell them
> > 
> > The messages I've been receiving (was receiving - I haven't had any 
> > today - perhaps they're using your address now) were polite 
> > (automated, I imagine) statements of inabilty to deliver the message 
> 
> Those are the ones I was talking about.  "no such user" or "account
> not found" or some such.
> 
> > - no accusations of spamming.  There must be masses of email flying 
> 
> It was me assuming it was a spammer with an old address list.  An
> email sent to fifty bad email addresses at AOHell using my From:
> doesn't sound like a legitimate, well maintained, opt-in mailing list.
> It sounds like a spammer forging my From: address.
> 
> > around all the time with mis-typed addresses; isn't the appropriate 
> > response to return it to the apparent sender?  That's a real question, 
> > not a rhetorical one.
> 
> Once, it was.  Now, 65% - 80% of network traffic is spam or malware.
> Now, it's smarter to assume that if you sent Joe an email and don't
> hear back within a couple of days, either Joe's on holidays or his
> spam filter is set too tight, so you should send him another one or
> call him.  Sending something that instead looks (to your average
> Windows user) like a MTA error message is a waste of time, effort,
> and bandwidth.
> 
> > The worry I had was about the reject messages I didn't get.  If the 
> > Peoria Inter-Denominational College of Neo-Tibetan Goldfish Juggling 
> > received thirty of my dollops of spam, who else was getting them and 
> > was I being put on blacklists by, well, "clueless mail admins" and 
> > "fools" with "idiotic mail-bots"?
> 
> The clueless might report you, but those who actually manage said
> lists aren't that dumb.  There needs to be some pretty damning
> evidence that's provably from you to hurt you.  Alternatively, your
> ISP could be so clueless as to let the situation get out of hand.
> Generally, if your ISP is up front and responsible about killing
> abuser's accounts from his IPs, he won't have any problem, and
> consequently neither will you for using his services.
> 
> > I would gladly help to educate the people I do get reject messages 
> > from, but what exactly do I tell them?
> 
> Spamcop.net!  When you report spam, they analyze it to death, and mail
> you back a URL you can go to to see the result.  That URL could be
> mailed to them if they need convincing.  btw, Spamcop reporter IDs are
> free.
> 
> > > Spammers are forging From: addresses, have been for at least a year,
> > 
> > This message comes to you with a forged From: address courtesy of the 
> > rewrite rules in /etc/exim/exim.conf.  Excuse me, there was a knock 
> > on the door.  Must be Spamcop...
> 
> Munging email addresses isn't illegal.  It's just counter-productive.
> How are you going to kill them if they can't find you?!?  :-)
> 
> 
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