On Tue, 2004-12-28 at 09:02 +1100, Sam Watkins wrote: > On Mon, Dec 27, 2004 at 03:42:09PM -0500, Eric d'Alibut wrote: > > I don't have any idea what Shuttleworth's politics are, but he > > obviously does not hesitate to associate himself -- even if "only" > > semantically -- with so-called revolutionary movements known for their > > terrorist agendas. > > In what way does "ubuntu.org" have a terrorist agenda? > Or does pacifist equate to terrorist in your dictionary? Well, no, but they can be just as damaging (in different ways, of course): "The pacifist is as surely a traitor to his country and to humanity as is the most brutal wrongdoer." Theodore Roosevelt "You are wrong in thinking that I dislike wholehearted pacifism, though I do think it mistaken. What I object to is the circumspect kind of pacifism which denounces one kind of violence while endorsing or avoiding mention of another." George Orwell, 1944, in correspondence with a British pacifist "Pacifists are people who haven't faced the unpleasant facts of life, either economically or politically; if they did face those facts, they wouldn't be pacifists for long." George Orwell "Rightly hating violence, [pacifists] do not wish to recognise that it is integral to modern society and that their own fine feelings and noble attitudes are all the fruit of injustice backed up by force. They do not want to learn where their incomes come from." George Orwell "One sword keeps another in the sheath." George Herbert "Never for the sake of peace and quiet deny your convictions." Dag Hammarskjold "It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism, while the wolf remains of a different opinion." Dean William R Inge "Peace is normally a great good, and normally it coincides with righteousness, but it is righteousness and not peace which should bind the conscience of a nation as it should bind the conscience of an individual; and neither a nation nor an individual can surrender conscience to another's keeping." Theodore Roosevelt "That doctrine of peace at any price has done more mischief than any I can well recall that have been afloat in this country. It has occasioned more wars than any of the most ruthless conquerors. It has disturbed and nearly destroyed that political equilibrium so necessary to the liberties and the welfare of the world." Benjamin Disraeli "There is no shadow of protection to be had by sheltering behind the slender stockades of visionary speculation, or by hiding behind the wagon-wheels of pacific theories." Madame Chiang Kai-Shek Of course, there are just as many pro-pacifism quotes. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Universal peace sounds ridiculous to the head of an average family." Kin Hubbard
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