Pigeon writes: > Sorry, I don't quite see your point. It's hardware, not software, that > they are selling, either way. You are assuming that they designed the entire device themselves. Often, the chips contain DSP cores and such that are licensed under _extremely_ aggressive NDAs that make it risky for the manufacturer to release any specs at all. -- John Hasler john@dhh.gt.org (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI