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Re: Voting on messages: a way to resolve the mailing list problems

George Danchev <danchev@spnet.net> wrote:
> On Saturday 20 December 2008 21:33:27 MJ Ray wrote:
> > So, people who remain on the debian mailing lists have a poor
> > understanding of what should appear a good mailing list, 
> What makes you think that "vocal minority" is larger than "silent majority" in 
> debian mailing lists?  If the "silent majority" has decent means to evaluate 
> the traffic of the mailing list (i.e. by means of voting messages for 
> example) then I believe it will do it happily, or at least chances to do so 
> increase dramatically.

Show me the numbers.  I believe that the current "silent majority" is
by definition silent and most of it will continue to be silent,
watching lists just in case something useful appears and refusing to
participate in improving the lists, as they have so far.  Meanwhile,
the vocal minorities will continue to be vocal and so more
enthusiastic (ab?)users of any Whuffie system which is implemented.

> > but having 
> > those same people express their opinion about what is good on a
> > mailing list will improve matters?  
> Which people you think should express their opinion about what is good on a 
> debian mailing lists:
> * debian mailing list participants
> * external observers, who has no clue nor care about the list traffic

I'm glad to see the implicit agreement that only list *participants*
would take part in this scheme.

But that is a false dilemma.  I believe lists should be facilitated by
good mailing list participants selected by the general debian
developer population, as I have suggested for years.

> > In short, we are going to use 
> > the "buggy" list memberships's views to repair the lists?
> I see no repairs here, just means to evaluate the content which hopefully 
> might gain a self-improving system based on the gathered data. Those who 
> supply the data, are these who consume its results... see the motivation ?

I see the feedback loop potential.  I can't see what would motivate
people to support adding a feedback loop to buggy lists.

Hope that explains,
MJ Ray (slef)
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