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Re: More FHS discussion (Was: Uploaded debhelper 2.0.09 (source all) to master)

I'm sorry Joseph, but you're trying to throw years of tradition out the
window, and I just can't stand for it.

Joseph Carter wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 04:22:39PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote:
> > Joseph Carter wrote:
> > > Um.  Given glibc2.1 it would be Very Unsmart to try to use potato packages
> > > on a slink system.
> > 
> > Arch: all
> Yes this could in theory work, but it's a very small subset of packages
> and I'd rather it be considered the exception that these things do work
> rather than the rule that all things should.
> Given that slink features apt and potato actually works best with it, this
> will be a moot point.  Just apt-get source what you need and build.  Very
> few things would this not work on---those few things including glibc, gcc,
> and X, things which are simply not able to be easily built on many
> workstations.  Of these, X is the only thing you might really want to
> upgrade in that manner.
> Everything else can just be rebuild if you need it and it's a hell of a
> lot easier to get working that way.
> In short partial upgrades of things in unstable should work where possible
> (example that I am upgrading potato but perl5.005 is on hold because of
> the large number of things depending on unversioned perl) but the same
> sort of partial upgrade cannot be expected between stable and unstable
> binaries.  This is all we can reasonably be expected to provide.
> When slink's epic4 had a DoS in the ANSI color parser the fix was "install
> potato's epic4"---but that couldn't be expected to work given potato is
> glibc2.1 could it?  In fact it wouldn't, so I rebuilt it on master.
> > > I don't know who came up with the idea of partial
> > > upgradability
> > 
> > Partial upgradability has been something debian has always managed. Every
> > single person who tracks unstable is using partial upgradability every
> > single day.
> That's not the same thing as partial upgrades between releases.  A full
> upgrade from stable to unstable should work when possible (unstable CAN
> break after all) but to the ability to install binaries from potato on a
> slink system is insane at best.
> I hope this email makes more sense to you than it does to me.  I'm going
> horizontal for a number of hours now.
> -- 
> Joseph Carter <knghtbrd@debian.org>            Debian GNU/Linux developer
> PGP: E8D68481E3A8BB77 8EE22996C9445FBE            The Source Comes First!
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