Re: Are we relevant under terms of "free bioinformatics software"
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 09:39:42AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > Le 15 mars 2012 à 20:26, Yaroslav Halchenko a écrit :
> > And ensure that the http://med.debian.org/ is the most visible one on search engines (the entry point) ?
(I always read this as http://med.debian.NET/ and as it was said this is
possible to get.)
> I think that we need to focus on one URL, and think well about it for a
> durability of, say ten years.
Sounds very reasonable.
> In any case, I think that it would be a good time for our pages to leave
> the /devel directory, as our pages are not only to give instructions
> to developers, and as it makes the URL more difficult to remember.
Fully ACK.
> Here are possible replacements for http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med/ that
> I would think of:
>
> http://www.debian.org/blends/debian-med/ [1]
I consider this a brilliant suggestion. The drawback of this what I'd
call optimal is that you need to do the work for all other Blends
basically on your own - at least if I think about my past experiences.
For instance all entry pages for single Blends at blends.debian.net did
not recieved any other commits than mine (I'm to lazy to check the SVN
logs, but at least I do not remember any other contribution). And these
are only very simple html pages fitting perfectly on one screen (in
source code). It also is not usual that people subscribe the
debian-blends list to organise such a move. In short: I consider the
Blends concept as a very powerfull chance for making Debian more popular
and so far as I know there is nobody who disagrees about this - but
people keep on considering that working on single packaging stuff has
more influence on their users than caring for a metasystem inside
Debian. While I'm pretty proud that Debian Med (and Debian Science) is
a counter example I did not yet managed to convince others to work a
tiny bit on this kind of infrastructure things.
However, if we really decide to go this path I'd fully support it and
will take over the work of other Blends (as always in the past) to
perhaps give them the finall kick/motivation to also work a bit on this.
> http://www.debian.org/debian-med/ [3]
Fine for me as well. Less work for us but I somehow keep on the Blends
idea (even if more work).
> http://blends.debian.org/debian-med/ [2]
> http://blends.debian.org/med/ [2]
Both is fine and here probably also applies what I said above because we
need to pull others with us. Somehow I have the feeling that the first
suggestion might cause less resistance from a technical side. BTW, when
seeing this the first URL could similarly be
http://www.debian.org/blends/med/ [1]
as well.
> http://debian-med.debian.org/ [4]
> http://med.debian.org/ [4]
I have put voting [numbers] on the suggestions above. I agree that each
of it might enhance the visibility situation over the current one - the
numbers are signs for my personal preference.
> http://ti.ny/md (just joking; these URL obsfucations are an insult to the WWW)
> http://med.deb/ (alternatively, we could lobby the IETF to get a TLD for Debian).
Either joke or no real hard work with a bad effort - success chances
relation.
> My gut feeling is that we will have a better chance to change our URL if what
> we ask can be used by other blends as well.
Fully ACK (but as I said above with the warning that most of the work
will remain on our backs - I'm prepared to take over a large chunk of
this).
> For the wiki and Alioth front pages, I think that they are very
> developer-oriented, and it is good, because it means that they are not
> redundant with the Debian website.
Also fully ACK. I intended to polish those PHP scripts invented by
David more than five years ago but finally never managed to do so.
That's probably a sign that these are not that bad and somehow serve our
needs reasonably. The only thing we could do search-engine wise is to
add
<meta name="author" content="Debian Med Packaging Team <debian-med-packaging@lists.alioth.debian.org>">
<meta name="description"
content="Developer page of Debian Med team">
<meta name="keywords"
content="Debian, Debian Med, Biology, Medicine, ???">
<meta name="Language" content="%(TRANSLATION)s">
What do you think about putting this in?
I also consider tweaking this into the tasks pages. For doing so I
would add an extra keyword to the tasks file which will be propagated
to the keywords metainformation in addition to "Debian, $BLEND".
> I would not try to integrate in a single
> URL scheme, but rather to accentuate their specialisation.
Perfectly ACK.
> The tasks pages on Alioth, on the other hand, have a broad audience. But since
> they are leaf pages, I think that it is fine to link from www.debian.org to
> them.
Yes. And is I said I'll try to enhance their metainformation a bit.
For the moment I might go even without the additional keyword but just
mentioning the Blend might do some good.
> Have a nice day,
Thanks for your suggestions
Andreas.
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