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Re: Bug#599879: live-helper: Live Builder does not create the user account

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Ben Armstrong
<synrg@sanctuary.nslug.ns.ca> wrote:
> On 12/10/10 05:45 AM, Jose R R wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 1:28 AM, Daniel Baumann <daniel@debian.org> wrote:
>>> On 10/12/2010 10:15 AM, Jose R R wrote:
>>>> I started with the same version for both and on the second and
>>>> subsequent attempts building the image, the regular user was not
>>>> created even if verified in the relevant config/* files.
>>> you can't 'verify' the user creation throuhg grepping config/*, again,
>>> the user is created by live-config at runtime, not by live-build at
>>> buildtime.
>> Faced with subsequent build attempts and *no* user created by the
>> Debian Live scripts, I *explicitily* specified an user name of my own
>> that I could grep in config/* files. The result was the same: no
>> regular user name and no explicit name either.
> You're still missing something here.  Yes, having no user created at
> runtime is a problem (which Daniel adequately explained already).  But
> no, your grep won't find any files associated with it!  That's because
> the user is created when the system is booted, not when live-build runs.

I believe you missed (above):
I *explicitily* specified an user name of my own that I could grep in
config/* files.

>>> i still claim its because of this:
>>> http://live.debian.net/gitweb?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=f02a69126b802af2b3fdf79b851283a6d40e7c5a
>>> you were using live-build 2.0.1, but your target system did not get
>>> live-config 2.0.7.
>> Whatever the reason, *that* procedure got rid of the regular user
>> issue and now I have no problems with that aspect.
> If you try random things you will get random results.

You try random "things" (procedures) when the stable ones do not
provide the results intended -as specified in the instructions for
Debian Live use.

>>>> The only problem now is that the resulting image is
>>>> not hardware agnostic. But again, this is an issue that reveals the
>>>> lack of maturity of Debian Live builder.
>>> i don't understand, could you plase elaborate?
>> If an end user follows rudimentary instructions, the Debian Live
>> scripts should provide satisfactory results. As it is now, one must
>> dig into the workings of the Debian Live scripts to attempt to figure
>> out where the issues are being introduced.
> How was that an answer to the question?  What do you mean by "not
> hardware agnostic"?

I think you missed prior emails regarding issues of hard copy only
working on developing machine but failing in other where there is a
Fedora and Debian operating systems installed.
> I agree that it is not always easy to tell at what layer a problem is
> occurring, but that's because there are necessarily multiple layers, and
> in this particular case, two: what happens at build time (handled by
> live-build) and what happens at run time (handled by live-boot and
> live-config). But if you're asking that the whole system always be
> working at all phases of development ... well, I think you need to
> readjust your expectations a bit.

The only reason I subscribed to this email list is because I
experienced issues in the vanilla (stable) distribution of Debian Live
scripts when attempting  to build an image for distribution.
Subsequently I tried the experimental Debian Live scripts and the hard
copy issues remained.

I have asked for help and I have provided help to another user who
experienced similar issues that I experienced before. Whether or not
the answers to that user are pedantically accurate or not *that*
procedure helped me resolve *that* problem that the user is asking for

Where am I stating my expectations? By selecting the Debian Live
scripts *all* I want is to create a Debian distribution with an LAMP
stack and an web application *that* boots in different hardware.
>>>> I'm using scripts in x86
>>>> hardware and not in x64 as Juan is doing.
>>> i386 or amd64 makes no difference here.
>> Of course, it should not -from a very specific and theoretic
>> development environment. However in general hardware platforms there
>> are issues unresolved/unfinished affecting the outcome.
> No, quite concretely, i386 or amd64 makes no difference with regards to
> the 'no user' issue caused by a *temporary* mismatch between live-build
> on the build system and live-config in the image.  This has to do with
> the migration process (which is made even more of a problem by the
> freeze during release) which causes a delay for new versions entering
> Squeeze and nothing whatsoever to do with the "maturity" of Debian Live.
> Ben
... then probably this is the wrong place to ask and resolve issues
since criticism of existing issues -for whatever reason- is highly
questioned. I should consider the SuSE Studio appliance builder, then?

Best Professional Regards.

Jose R R
IBM Lotus Symphony supported on GNU/Linux, Mac OS, and Windows.
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