Re: Xemacs needs a real maintainer
Quoting Uwe Brauer <firstname.lastname@example.org>:
> On 10 Mar 2004, email@example.com wrote:
> >> I forget to add one important thing of course, the Xemacs package
> >> system which allows on the fly actualization. Emacs has nothing
> >> similar.
> > According to what I read, it is not a missing feature, it is an
> > unwanted feature. I'm personaly happy with packages provided as
> > debian packages, so i don't need to grab the big bunch of packages I
> > don't use (emacs21-support or alike).
> Just a moment,
Warning: I don't want this debate to turn into another war, that
has no place among emacsen users.
> Maybe we are talking about different things, Xemacs comes with a
> package styem comprable to the debian system, that is only core lisp
> packages are shipped, addtionally pkg have to be installed with a
> utility called PUI. So the Xemacs user does not have to download the
> lisp files, unpack them, and byte compile it. Now like a debian user
> he just grab install and then upgrade the package he wishes. As a
> debian user you *should* love this.
Except that you cannot keep track of packages you installed throught
Furthermore, I checked myself available XEmacs packages (in the CVS
package CVS), some of them are outdated, mostly because:
- noone cares for maintaining them (ada mode, ibuffer mode, ...)
- some of them come from a sync with the GNU tree and require
more tweek, which requires manpower)
I'm not saying this package system is bad, but that it is not
> Now you mean an unwanted feature for the Emacs people? well sometimes
> the additional lisp packages shipped with Emacs are quite old, in one
> case gnus more that 1 1/2 years old.
Unwanted feature for the Emacs upstream, yes. The GNU shipped with
Emacs is not the one from gnus.org, and almost everyone use the
> Or you mean for the debian people?
> In both case I disagree. For debian you can see that some package are
> just not up to date, and besides this is just doubled work and not
This is not entirely true. XEmacs packages are not directly grabbed
from upstream places. They require some work for being integrated
in the package tree at xemacs.org.