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Re: piece of mind

On 10/21/2014 at 10:13 AM, Norbert Preining wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>> not possible to split the system cgroups arbitrator from the
>> process which starts services and sessions in cgroups. It is not
>> possible to ensure the relation of a log to a service if you do not
>> have awareness of how the service was launched. Et caetera.
> And surely that didn't work the last 20 years ...

I believe the argument is that it didn't work reliably, or as well as it
could have and as they argue that it should. And I can see their point,
although I don't know whether I necessarily believe it holds.

> Only because the "Wanderer" is a troll, doesn't mean that everything
> he says is wrong.

I object to being characterized as a troll. I'm not trying to stir
things up or incite a furor or the like, nor am I posting to cause a
reaction for my own amusement, nor am I saying controversial or hostile
or otherwise flamebait-y things regardless of whether or not I actually
believe them, or anything along those lines.

I've actively refrained from commenting in many systemd-related threads,
here and elsewhere, when I felt that I did not have anything relevant or
useful to say, and/or when I felt that my contribution would not help
anything. It's possible that my contribution won't help anything here
either, but I judged that it was at least close enough to be worth the

Now, if you wanted to classify me as "posting flamebait" in this
specific instance, I'd have much less ground on which to refute that -
though doing so was not my goal, and I do think that even some things
which are valuable contributions to a discussion can also be classified
as flamebait. But "posting flamebait" and "being a troll" are very
different things.

(Even independent of its being used to refer to me, I don't like to see
a useful and specific term being broadened into less-useful generality
like that.)

   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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