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Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> writes:
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 11:42:16AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:

>> I continue to be baffled by people's apparent belief that this
>> happening during a major upgrade is some sort of regression.  Having
>> those buttons not work after a major component upgrade, until the X
>> session was restarted, has been typical behavior for as long as I've
>> been using Debian with a desktop environment.

> The distinction is between having to restart your *session* and having
> to restart your *system*.  The systemd/logind issue introduces a
> requirement for the latter, which /is/ a regression.

Yeah, I just figured that out.  I agree that's a regression.

> I can't imagine how anyone can simultaneously hold the view that Debian
> should use systemd for improved integration with end-user-targeted
> desktop environments, and believe that Debian should leave these end
> users grubbing around on the console to do something as fundamental as
> rebooting their system after upgrade.

This confuses me, however.  Surely the difference between a one-time
disruption and ongoing pain is too obvious to need stating?

Russ Allbery (rra@debian.org)               <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

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