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Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 11:42:16AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> writes:

> > For the specific case of a change that makes basic desktop functions
> > unusable between upgrade and reboot (including the "reboot" button
> > itself), the right answer is "until it's ready, and if you want it
> > sooner then help."

> I continue to be baffled by people's apparent belief that this happening
> during a major upgrade is some sort of regression.  Having those buttons
> not work after a major component upgrade, until the X session was
> restarted, has been typical behavior for as long as I've been using Debian
> with a desktop environment.

The distinction is between having to restart your *session* and having to
restart your *system*.  The systemd/logind issue introduces a requirement
for the latter, which /is/ a regression.

I can't imagine how anyone can simultaneously hold the view that Debian
should use systemd for improved integration with end-user-targeted desktop
environments, and believe that Debian should leave these end users grubbing
around on the console to do something as fundamental as rebooting their
system after upgrade.

Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer                                    http://www.debian.org/
slangasek@ubuntu.com                                     vorlon@debian.org

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