On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 11:42:16AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> writes: > > For the specific case of a change that makes basic desktop functions > > unusable between upgrade and reboot (including the "reboot" button > > itself), the right answer is "until it's ready, and if you want it > > sooner then help." > I continue to be baffled by people's apparent belief that this happening > during a major upgrade is some sort of regression. Having those buttons > not work after a major component upgrade, until the X session was > restarted, has been typical behavior for as long as I've been using Debian > with a desktop environment. The distinction is between having to restart your *session* and having to restart your *system*. The systemd/logind issue introduces a requirement for the latter, which /is/ a regression. I can't imagine how anyone can simultaneously hold the view that Debian should use systemd for improved integration with end-user-targeted desktop environments, and believe that Debian should leave these end users grubbing around on the console to do something as fundamental as rebooting their system after upgrade. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/ slangasek@ubuntu.com vorlon@debian.org
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