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Re: systemd and Linux are *fundamentally incompatible* -> and I can prove it



Jan Gloser <jan.renra.gloser@gmail.com> writes:

> 1) I think some valid questions have been raised to which I have not
> seen ANY satisfactory answer that no doubt a person who truly
> understands the subject (unlike me) should be able to give. (though I
> might have missed some)

Everything that's been raised in this thread apart from Oracle's alleged
SMF patent trolling was already raised and discussed in the giant
Technical Committee bug of doom.  The reason why you're not seeing a lot
of constructive engagement with those points here is that most of us are
exhausted with this conversation and tired of repeating ourselves.

People have a natural tendency to claim that they could be persuaded if
someone would just engage in the discussion that *they* want to have, as
opposed to the hundreds of discussions we've previously had, but the
reality is that just about everyone made up their mind a long time ago and
are unlikely to be persuaded by the perfectly-phrased counter-argument.

At this point, for better or worse, we're in the "we're going to do this
and see how it goes" phase of the discussion.

The Oracle patent trolling is new, at least to me, but Debian also has a
project-wide policy, already applied in many similar cases, of ignoring
things like that in the absence of considerably more evidence of legal
risk than we have to date.  (And that legal risk, if it exists, would not
be discussed in public, due to the pathologies of patent law in at least
the United States and possibly elsewhere.)

-- 
Russ Allbery (rra@debian.org)               <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>


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