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Re: Flaming as a way to reach technical quality? No! (was: network-manager as default? No! (was: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy))

On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 10:52:33AM +0400, Dmitry E. Oboukhov wrote:
> On 08:18 Mon 04 Apr     , Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> RH> Hi,

> RH> On Mon, 04 Apr 2011, Dmitry E. Oboukhov wrote:
> >> Stupid scheme (intended for stupid users) should be based on ifupdown
> >> but shouldn't replace it.

> RH> Please refrain from calling people "stupid users" just because they use a
> RH> software that you don't like.

> There was a way "User can do anything", the way was replaced by the way
> "User can do something in list". Obviously that this action has been
> done for stupid users.

Yes, a user can do anything with ifconfig if his time has no value.  I am
happily using network manager on my laptop, because unlike ifconfig it's
easy to configure for use on new wireless networks.

I am not happy that network manager bypasses ifconfig to do this; I would
have much preferred a daemon that could properly integrate with the existing
infrastructure we had.  But neither that, nor you calling me a stupid user,
is much motivation for me to go back to the pain of managing wireless
connections via ifupdown.

Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer                                    http://www.debian.org/
slangasek@ubuntu.com                                     vorlon@debian.org

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