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Re: Flaming as a way to reach technical quality? No! (was: network-manager as default? No! (was: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy))

On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 12:00:01AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 10:52:33AM +0400, Dmitry E. Oboukhov wrote:
> > On 08:18 Mon 04 Apr     , Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > RH> Hi,
> > RH> On Mon, 04 Apr 2011, Dmitry E. Oboukhov wrote:
> > >> Stupid scheme (intended for stupid users) should be based on ifupdown
> > >> but shouldn't replace it.
> > RH> Please refrain from calling people "stupid users" just because they use a
> > RH> software that you don't like.
> > There was a way "User can do anything", the way was replaced by the way
> > "User can do something in list". Obviously that this action has been
> > done for stupid users.
> Yes, a user can do anything with ifconfig if his time has no value.  I am
> happily using network manager on my laptop, because unlike ifconfig it's
> easy to configure for use on new wireless networks.
> I am not happy that network manager bypasses ifconfig to do this;

I am.  NM uses the correct interface, i.e. netlink.  ifconfig is a
BSD legacy.


Ben Hutchings
We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking.
                                                              - Albert Camus

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