Re: Override changes standard -> optional
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 09:31:40PM +0100, Michael Tautschnig wrote:
> > > strace
> > > mtr-tiny
> > I think these are useful troubleshooting tools that we ought to install by
> > default. mtr-tiny is the only traceroute tool included in standard
> > currently.
> > For comparison, both of these packages are part of the Ubuntu standard
> > system.
> > I think we ought to even consider adding gdb in addition to strace, size
> > allowing, since these two tools are rather complementary in their use; but
> > certainly, I'd prefer having strace over not having either.
> Is "standard" in some sense also targeted at those who do lots of stuff
> other than hacking with their computer systems?
mtr-tiny is not a "hacking" tool any more than "ping" or "whois" is.
Actually, I misspoke in saying that mtr-tiny is the only traceroute we have
by default. iputils-traceroute is also installed at Priority: important; but
iputils-traceroute is far less useful on modern networks than mtr-tiny is.
If traceroute belongs in important, then mtr belongs in standard.
> If so, I doubt that the the output of strace will be very useful to those,
The same argument easily applies to the output of 'dig', which is included
in dnsutils at Priority: standard. Nevertheless, having it available by
default is useful for troubleshooting purposes when a problem has been
escalated to the corresponding "support" personnel (via a Debian bug report,
by handing your computer to your local expert, or whatever).
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