El mar, 15-01-2008 a las 16:22 +0100, Andreas Tille escribió: > On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, José L. Redrejo Rodríguez wrote: > > >> And here we have good chances for a flame because I as a user would > >> not expect Science and Math under a main menu "Technical". I'd rather > >> see "Science" as a main menu entry and find "Math" below this. I > >> do not say that my point of view is correct but there is no "correct" > >> location for the sections and it mainly depends from users view where > >> he might search for certain topics. That's my arguing for grouping > >> users according to their views and care for them in sub projects > >> were you are able to do reasonable guessings where a user would > >> suspect certain applications. This was one sense for the Debian-Med > >> project because every user of this project will definitely enter > >> the "Med" main menu and can easily proceed from there. For these > >> users the "Technical" menu section would be of low use. > > > > > > And another flame decission chance comes when you have to decide if an > > application should be under , e.g., Education/electronics or > > Technical/Electronics. As an example, where do you think qucs[1] should > > be placed? It's wonderfull to study at a deep level how solid state > > circuits work, but also wonderful for secondary school children to study > > and simulate digital and analogic circuits... > > But your argument exactly supports my position that the place > where a user expects a program depends from the tasks a user has to > do. So we need user groups first and afterwards we need the > apropriate menus. It's hard to believe but people (sometimes we > forget that users are people ;-)) are different and there is no > really good way to find a general menu. Exactly, my conclusions after working sometime on this issue is the same: we need user groups, then menu profiles for those groups , then desktop-profiles to join both (just using /etc/xdg/menu/applications-merged doesn't work because of the bad place of the "<DefaultMergeDirs/>" line in current gnome/kde-applications.menu files) > > > So, if the right profiles are installed in the system, with > > apt-get install <application> > > the user will see the application in a different branch depending of the > > system groups he belongs. > > I did not dived very deeply into this but does "system group" > here UNIX group or is this even transparent for LDAP using systems etc.? > I think so, I don't see any reason for a more complicated solution. I did my tests for education using students & teachers unix groups (under LDAP) with desktop-profiles and it works perfectly. Regards, José L.
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