Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs
On 28 May 2006, Thomas Bushnell told this:
>>> This may be true, except that *the document was not forged*.
>> So you continue to claim. And since you make statements like this
>> with no discernible means of you having verified them, I do not see
>> how discussion with you has any value whatsoever -- you'll make any
>> statements to back your position, whether or not you know them to
>> be true.
> It is as if you don't bother to read what you are replying to.
> Notice I said "as it has been reported."
I also noticed whom it was so reported -- and the second
statement you made was an emphatic one, with no such disclaimers.
> So help me out here: are you claiming that Martin's card was *not* a
> genuine credential from the Transnational Republic? If so, do you
> have any evidence for that? You seem to be upset at Martin, or at
> the people who signed his key, but I can't tell what *exactly* is
> the basis for the anger.
Hmm. Let us see here. A KSP is one where one presents the best
papers one has, since the tacit understanding is that the cheks that
had been undergone, and the international treeaties and laws governing
travel papers (or national laws governing misuse of such documents)
are a proxy for checks that the people at the party are unable to
A good faith participation in a key signing party would have
involved all us foreigners presenting our passports, and being
present to get our keys signed, and extending the web of trust for
This is not what that individual who porports to be Marting
actually did: by self confession, the participation was to
"experiment" with the expectation of trust and to game the system to
"prove" how weak it was. At this point, the expectation of good
faith participation is broken; we now have a social enginnering
exploit based on expectations of the people (something all grifters
know and exploit).
The expectation of trust is broken, as is the trust I have in
that individual. What is the trust path I have to determine if the
papers presented were not fake? Ah, yes, the words of the scam
artist. As far as I can tell, the person or organization has not
entered into bilateral agreements with an agency or government I
have even an iota of trust in, nor would there be any consequences
for these organizations to issue fake papers.
So, once someone acts in bad faith, I can't trust anything
else they say: How do I know it is not a hoax within a hoax to see
how gullible people are, to accept that the papers presented were not
faked, or outright forgeries?
Once he has broken faith, nothing coming from that source can
be accepted, since the source is now tainted. Any information flow
with that origination is tainted, and since you offer the same
statements, without any form of untainting that is visible, I think
you are rapidly approaching the untrusted relay category.
It is all basic information flow analysis.
The District of Columbia has a law forbidding you to exert pressure on
a balloon and thereby cause a whistling sound on the streets.
Manoj Srivastava <email@example.com> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/>
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