Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting
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Matt Zimmerman <mdz@debian.org> wrote:
>> How could we know ? We know nothing about Ubuntu, nothing about
>> Canonical, nothing about the goals, nothing about how everything was
>> done to begin with, nothing about who works or doesn't work there.
>
> Details about Ubuntu and its goals can be found on the website. In many
> respects there is more information available about Ubuntu activity, and the
> goals of the project, than about organizations which provide you with the
> essentials of life. Yet, you seem to trust them by default, while you
> assume that Ubuntu seeks to cause you harm. Why?
Because Ubuntu appeared behind a screen of smoke. And smoke hasn't
dissipated yet. Debian Developers were not informed in an appropriate
manner of what was going on there.
>> Everything was done with the exact same secret used for this plan. And
>> nobody cared enough to write up a proper announcement for Debian
>> developers.
>
> An announcement of what? The release meeting, or Ubuntu? You'd be wrong in
> either case, as can be easily shown by mailing list archives.
Ubuntu. Sure, there was a mail posted to -devel. It basically said
"Hey folks, look there, we're doing something, there are patches. We
have no name yet.". It said nothing else. It did not even list the
people involved. We had to find out by hanging out on IRC. Nice way of
treating your fellows, indeed.
And now you're pointing us to the Ubuntu website, but it's a bit
late.
>> How are we supposed to trust you ? I certainly can't until this is
>> fixed.
>
> Fixed? You haven't identified a problem, and you seem to be attacking those
> who are working to solve well-known problems in Debian.
By destroying the Project ? Interesting approach.
JB.
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