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Re: LCC and blobs

Peter Van Eynde <pvaneynd@mailworks.org> writes:

> Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote:
>> Peter Van Eynde <pvaneynd@mailworks.org> writes:
>>>And now you consider it software just because the method of storage is
>>>different? How can the nature of the bytes change because they are
>>>stored on a disk?
>> The nature of the bytes do not change.  But my name, distributed in a
>> Debian package, is software.  My name, written in letters of granite
> You name is software!
> Now I'm a Common Lisp hacker, you know the data is code people, but
> even _we_ do not consider a string software unless it drives some
> software.
> Is your name input for a state-machine?

You should see what it does to TECO.  My name is a killing word.

>> Architectural plans for a house, shipped in a Debian package, are
>> software.
> I'm stunned. So anything in a Debian package is software. With alien I
> can convert a tar.gz into a debian package, so all tar files are
> software. With tar I can create a tar.gz from any file, so all
> electronic data is software?

Bingo.  Debian had this debate last year.  There was a giant vote over
it.  Then another debate and another vote.  "software" is not
"program".  Programs are software that happens to be executable.  Data
is not executable, but still software.

> And you restrictions that any package that depends on non-DFSG
> "software" to work cannot be in main means that after releasing sarge
> we have to remove from main:
> - all bootloaders. Grub cannot start my XP without the XP
>   bootsector.

Grub doesn't depend on XP's bootsector.  It provides other useful
functionality -- booting Linux -- without it.  That's more of a Suggests.

> - tftpd. I want to netboot my Solaris machines. The tftpd needs the
> solaris code to "work".

It implements the tftpd protocol all by itself.  There are even plenty
of tftp clients out there.  Apache doesn't become non-free because you
want to use it to distribute your great novel... which you haven't
written yet.

> Should I go on?

Please at least read Policy on what "Depends" means first.  If you
also read the archives, you'll have a chance at understanding the
position of other debaters here, and of generating original
arguments.  So far, this is all a repeat.  It wasn't convincing any of
the last couple times, so it won't be this time.


Brian Sniffen                                       bts@alum.mit.edu

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