On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 02:15:43AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: > On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 01:24:57PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > > If being a DD is a sign that you're accepted, it's a very > > fleeting one; flamewars between developers are usually MORE intense than > > between DDs and non-DDs.[1] I think to be a successful DD, you have to > > first find satisfaction in the work itself, with or without community > > accolades. > At least for me, it is important that I am part of a community of > Debian developers. I wouldn't want to do the work while being > kept outside that community, and I wouldn't feel able to take > responsibility for my packages if I have to depend on someone > else's goodwill just to upload bugfixes. > When I joined Debian, the process took a week or so. If it had > taken many months, I would have felt unwanted and I would have > left to join a different community instead. It's the not unpopular notion that "you're not part of the community unless you're a DD" that distresses me. To me, Debian *as a whole* forms a community, of which DDs, NMs and users all are a part. At least, I considered *myself* part of the community before I became a DD, and wouldn't have let anyone tell me differently.. :) NMs have every right to be upset at an opaque process that they feel is making an inefficient use of developer time; but if that leads to feeling that they're part of the community when and only when they become developers, then we're *all* doing something wrong. Steve Langasek postmodern programmer
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