Re: Helix debian packages
>>>>> On Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:14:08 -0500, Joseph Carter <knghtbrd@debian.org> said:
Joseph> On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 04:13:43PM -0400, James LewisMoss
Joseph> wrote:
>> >> The only differences I see between helix and debian gnome are
>> >> 1) The little bootup dialog has a different image
>> >> 2) The image in the menu bar is a flower rather than the helix
>> >> loki-like guy.
>>
Joseph> They also have better default configurations, more stuff
>>
>> OK. Got an example?
Joseph> Yes, the Helix default GTK settings are usable by me. They
Joseph> use a darker grey and it doesn't give me a nasty headache
Joseph> like Debian's do. Granted, that's a very minor thing, but
Joseph> it's a difference.
OK got one. Filed a bug report against the debian package or just
complained here?
Joseph> Generally, the default gnome-session under Helix is just
Joseph> better. Perhaps that's subjective, but a lot of people seem
Joseph> to agree.
Again so vague as to be useless. in all these deficiencies do you
report bugs?
Joseph> Exactly. More reason to take advantage of the faster bug
Joseph> fixes.
Sure. I'd be happy (as I've said before) for Peter to install the
helix versions of packages into Debian (the ones I control at least),
but unless something has changed that won't happen.
Joseph> Why do you insist on a Debian vs. Helix scenerio? My point,
I don't. You are bringing it up.
Joseph> which you seem to be ignoring, is that there's no reason for
Joseph> there to be a difference between Helix and Debian Gnome. As
Sure there is.
1) Peter can't, because of time constraints, get his, helix's,
packages into debian.
2) I'm not going to become a proxy for the helix packages. If you are
in the mood. You can take over my gnome packages and become the
proxy for them. Go ahead.
3) I don't have enough time to follow all the changes to the helix
packages. Why don't you report bugs when you see a significant
difference?
Joseph> It seems reasonable to fold the Helix changes into Debian.
Joseph> If time is the problem, I am sure there are people willing to
Joseph> help. I'm willing to, where time permits.
Ok then. Report bugs and send patches.
Joseph> I haven't got a good place to host the CVS, but I'm willing
Joseph> to help set it up if that's what's needed. It's not hard,
Joseph> but it won't work unless the Debian Gnome maintainers want it
Joseph> to work. Based on a lot of what I'm reading, I suspect John
Joseph> Goerzen has a better chance of convincing people non-free
Joseph> should be purged from Debian than I've got of convincing the
Joseph> people packaging Gnome in Debian that Helix changes should be
Joseph> folded in to the Debian packages.
Ah. More Bull Crap. My argument has no basis in reality so let's
insult the people I'm arguing with! Has anyone said "No, that
specific Helix change you brought up sucks and I'm not doing it" to
you yet? Were their reasons good?
Joseph> I use them at work. At home, I use Helix. As soon as I
Joseph> installed Debian Gnome at work, an old and fixed bug in the
Joseph> file dialog in XMMS reappeared, that was the very first thing
Joseph> I noticed different. Minor, but annoying enough that the
Joseph> first time I enqueued a file, I wished I had the Helix
Joseph> version installed.
Ah. Just checked the bug reports for xmms. Didn't see your bug
report. Guess complaining loudly on a public mailing list is easier
than looking at what helix did to fix the problem and reporting a bug
with a patch on the debian package.
Jim
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