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Re: critical problems in 2.3.5 prevent release

On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 05:56:08AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 08:07:43AM -0500, Stephen R Marenka wrote:
> > 
> > First, I agree with you. However, my question is *what* is broken? Should
> > dpkg know about DEBIAN_FRONTEND? How do conffile prompts get handled
> > otherwise? Certainly there should be an elegant way to install a bunch
> > of packages without prompts?
> for now all i care about is debootstrap and installing the base
> system.  FAI is a completly seperate bucket of worms were not going to
> worry about right now. 

I wasn't thinking of FAI in particular, just the general solution to the
problem we're facing. 

> the base system is composed of a very small set of packages and there
> should never be a case where the config file question should come up
> when installing base, period.  powerpc-utils is broken.  (or maybe its
> dpkg's handling of diverted conffiles i don't really know).  packages
> in base should also not be asking questions in postinst, or blinding
> running config programs *cough* quik *cough*.  they should at the very

quik is a PITA.

> least check $DEBIAN_FRONTEND and skip such things (without breaking
> the install).  this is really not much to ask of the base system.  at
> the moment there is only two packages im aware of that violate these
> conditions:

FWIW I'm not disagreeing with you, but is this a matter of policy or 
personal taste? I don't recall reading about DEBIAN_FRONTEND or no
conffiles in base packages in policy, but I could've missed it. Perhaps
this is something that needs to be formally addressed somewhere or
perhaps it is and I just need a pointer.

> powerpc-utils
> quik

According to Richard Hirst, gcc-3.0 (at least for hppa) also has an

> bugs are filed against both, once powerpc-utils does away with the
> useless diversion the conffile thing will be fixed.  aph or someone
> will have to NMU quik since the maintainer is MIA AFAICT.  
> i would actually like to see the force-conffold thing go away as soon
> as powerpc-utils is fixed so we can catch and fix any more broken
> packages.  i would also  like to see debootstrap output the
> packagename its working on when it encounters an error, its really
> annoying to have nearly no way to find who is generating the errors
> except seeings whats brokenly installed after debootstrap finishes...

The way debootstrap is setup, that won't help, you have to look at the
logs. debootstrap is running a repeat 20, more or less brute forcing the
fixup of all the base packages (at least if understand correctly).

Stephen R. Marenka     If life's not fun, you're not doing it right!

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