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Re: Would like review of what seems to be a blend forming for the cloud



Thank you again for your time. I was not aware I was violating community standards and norms. Thank you for educating me.

Tyler

On Apr 14, 2014, at 1:29 PM, Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> wrote:

> Quoting Tyler Riddle (2014-04-14 21:06:38)
> [frustrations snipped]
> 
>> I think the cloud team does want the output of the work to be 
>> integrated into Debian as a whole.
> 
>> I may be wrong but it seems like the cloud team is working to produce 
>> what would be a pure blend though not realize it.
> 
> Sounds great.  Their aim is what counts - They need not know how others 
> (this team) label it.  That said, when discussing and comparing with 
> other similar works, I dearly recommend to use the terms we've defined!
> 
> 
>> To be honest I didn't know a blend team existed until I went to find 
>> another community inside Debian that might be able to assist.
> 
> Debian is too big to easily have an overview of all that happens in it.  
> (I suspect only one person - Paul Wise - has a fair overview).
> 
> It seems you talk about the cloud team as "them".  If you dislike what a 
> team does, then your best option is to get involved in that team and 
> help improve matters.
> 
> 
>> This really did look like it would be the best place to start because 
>> of the total overlap.
> 
> I disagree: This team is not an authority but an interest group - teams 
> that knows what they want need not consult us at all.
> 
> 
>> 1) How does the blend team handle naming and labeling of the products?
> 
> We don't.  This team is not an authority.
> 
> 
>> 1a) can you point me at policies regarding this topic? I haven't been 
>> able to find any and debian-policy didn't seem to be the right list 
>> either
> 
> Seems you are looking for policies for _Debian_ (which applies to Debian 
> Pure Blends too, as by definition they are fully within Debian).
> 
> I don't think there is any policy on what not-fully-Debian compilations 
> (i.e. Debian derivatives - including Debian Blends) are permitted to 
> call themselves, but instead it is discussed case-by-case, with the 
> latest case being that of a Debian-multimedia website.
> 
> If you want to try use force (which I *don't* recommend!!) then I guess 
> your options are to raise the issue on debian-devel@l.d.o or contact 
> leader@d.o.
> 
> I dearly recommend you to instead get involved in the cloud team (to the 
> point where you don't mentally refer to the team as "them" but "us") and 
> help improve the already great work done there.
> 
> 
>> 2) What status is typical for a blend to exist in? How much 
>> experimentation exists? Do blends follow the testing and release cycle 
>> like the larger project?
> 
> That varies wildly - from vaporware to perfection.
> 
> 
>> 3) Does it sound like Debian Cloud would be an appropriate pure blend 
>> if the work conformed to Debian policies?
> 
> Uhm, please read again our definition of the term, and tell me if you 
> have trouble understanding any part of it.
> 
> We are not an authority.  I can have personal opinions (and I do), but 
> my opinions have no power over the works of others.
> 
> 
>> I'll relay this information to the cloud team to help them gauge how 
>> they work they are performing falls into scope of the Debian project 
>> as a whole.
> 
> I am confident the cloud team knows well already what Debian is.  Seems 
> you seek to apply "parenting" on the cloud team - Debian doesn't work 
> like that.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> - Jonas
> 
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