Re: Request to fast track gitlab dependencies
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On 20/12/18 2:42 pm, Dominik George wrote:
Hei,
It was a bit demotivating as my idea of debian was to be able to work
on anything you want as long as you can keep the packages in good
shape and you follow the policy. If anyone cannot continue
maintaining packages, other could step up or it gets removed, fully
or partially.
I can actually understand both Rhonda and you - I do - to get this
done with - agree with you that Rhonda's remarks had a very
in-the-flesh tone and in parts read as if filled with personal
accusations, and I can relate to you feeling demotivated by them.
There is a true core to it and the sorrows expressed are justified -
however, in Debian, we all agreed that we always assume good faith in
others, and everything starting from "you are only doing this work for
your own benefit" I felt was far beyond that an unnecessarily hurting.
On the other hand, every maintainer should consider their fellows and
also users - yes, other maintainers could step up, and yes, gitlab and
all its dependencies could be removed. But this is not something that
should be part of a plan - everyone should consider what it means for
others to take over, and, agreeing with Rhonda, I see no way of how
the shitload of work you have there could ever be expected to be
handled by someone else. Speaking of removal, I can relate to that
being very nasty, as I am also a user and depend on GitLab in various
places. While Debian is a project of volunteers, it is standing out
for still being the most excellent and well-supported Linux
distribution, and people rely on that. While technically, they can't
(as they did not buy any support or developers), we should always
consider that taking away something they rely on is not an option,
unless it becomes an option ;). Please, always try to have a plan that
does not involve "…other could step up or it gets removed" ☺. For what
it's worth, I do believe you are putting it that way because you feel
somewhat put up against the wall, and I also do believe that you have
the best in mind for GitLab in Debian. I also know first-hand that you
are very helpful towards users of your package even if they behave
stupidly ;). Thanks for that. Thus, I propose we stop discussing how
things were done and what your intentions are - that won't get any
better for anyone.
I agree to this. We need to find ways where in we have a model in which
the concern of "having too many packages" could be addressed in a
workable way.
Also a system in which one should be able to contribute in without
worrying about an upper limit to contribution
in a sustainable way.
Instead, let's drive the volatile/whatever idea foreward - I actually
did already find time to put together some ideas, rules and policy
drafts, which I will be able to post on the weekend.
Thanks, would be looking forward to reading them.
-nik
- rajudev
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