also sprach Martín Ferrari <tincho@tincho.org> [2014-09-11 02:09 +0200]: > My last message on the topic, I don't want to drag this discussion > for ever. Thank you, I think we are pretty much at the end of this discussion anyway. Still, I have to respond to some of your points, but I will try not to pose questions or expect a reply. Shortly after this, I will write another message with the plan to move forward. > Note that I am not opposing to the job fair or the booths. It is > the sponsoring of the social events that I feel is kind of wrong, > going against our spirit. It feels like monetising the conference, > that's why I feel uneasy. > > I would rather cut the costs (or the existence) of all these (C&W, > dinner, day trip, sponsored beverages) than selling them. Just to make this clear: everyone feels that the spirit of our conference is priceless, and we *must* *not* endanger that. We've come a long way (see Git log), and the status quo does not "monetise" or "sell out". Your point about rather cutting costs than "selling out" is a difficult one and needs to be regarded both in terms of DC15 and future DebConfs. We've pretty much continuously stepped up the ladder on the conference dinner, and so have the expectations of our attendees. I've heard plenty of comparisons at DC14 between different conference dinners, or the quality of food offerings, etc.. I am not saying this because I propose to continue this trend of stepping up the ladder, but because your suggestion to rather step back down could have a very negative effect on the motivation of the current or a future team. I know this is a soft point, but I am sure nobody wants to enter the annals of history as the person organising a DebConf that failed to meet the standards. It's very possible, even likely, that this will happen in the future, and we should be able to handle this as a team, making sure to manage expectations (we are a volunteer-run, free-for-all conference, after all), but we should also not shy away from innovative ideas, as long as they don't negatively affect the spirit of the conference. *But*: this has two sides and what we do now obviously influences to the future. If we succeed at raising a lot of money, then we *must* *not* spend it at will. We should try to maintain a standard, not raise it without limits, because otherwise we might be forcing a future DebConf into the exact same situation we are trying to prevent. Therefore, my suggestion is: split the way we look at things in two: 1. there's raising money, and as long as we don't sell out, overcommit, lose character, give sponsors too much control, or alienate sponsors, we should be fine. 2. and there are the events, and we should strive to keep them "natural" to DebConf and not fall for the possibility of spending more money than necessary to deliver to our attendees a memorable event in the spirit of DebConf. I will return to this momentarily. > Finally, if the non-profit is forbidden to do theses things, we > could have one or two sponsors give the money to a normal trusted > company instead. Yes, this is also an option, and in fact it's our fallback to use the money that SPI already has or will collect for this. … and maybe this is the way to do things in the future. However, we're about to run an experiment and the outcome is unknown. We feel like we have taken all measures to ensure that the experiment does not backfire and alienate sponsors or negatively affect the spirit of DebConf. At the same time, we feel that there's a lot of potential and the experiment could turn out to be very successful, and hence beneficial to DebConf in the long run. In addition to being able to subsidise more people to attend, I stand by what I said: we cannot have too much money. But in the light of Steve's insightful response to the last time I said this, let me offer the following two qualifications: 1. we cannot have too much money if it comes to us without selling out or strings attached; 2. we cannot have too much money if we know how to spend it. I believe we are well in control of (1.), thanks to all your input and the long time it took us to get to the status quo on the brochure. And I believe we are well on the way towards (2.), without throwing money out of the door, but this is really DPL terrain and we should not venture into it just now or here. > Another topic. I just saw the addition to the brochure of the > diversity effort. While I am all for getting money for diversity, > what do you have in mind when you invite sponsors to contact us? > It is just a way to get more sponsors on board, so we can then > manage the money, or will they have any active involvement in the > use of the money? Short answer: we control how that money is spent (i.e. who we reach out to). We will *not* let sponsors have an influence here. -- .''`. martin f. krafft <madduck@debconf.org> @martinkrafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf15: Heidelberg, Germany: http://debconf15.debconf.org DebConf16 in your country? https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16
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