Re: [Debconf-team] [DC14] Portland team: DebConf in the USA
On Sat, 2013-03-16 at 20:19 +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> On 16/03/13 19:56, Allison Randal wrote:
> > On 03/16/2013 10:27 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> >> The bid itself doesn't specify anything about the above, it just gives a
> >> link to DC10, which leaves me feeling that the bid team has
> >> underestimated the seriousness of these issues.
> >> https://www.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/VisaAndBorderIssues
> > The DebConf10 wiki page covered it thoroughly (including commentary from
> > different perspectives), so linking to that page seemed more sensible
> > than repeating all the info in the DebConf14 proposal.
> > I ran a 3000 attendee free software conference in the US from 2005-2010,
> > and have helped organize other smaller US-based free software
> > conferences for over a decade, and visas have never been a statistically
> > significant factor. There are a few odd cases, it's true, but they're rare.
> Every member of the Debian community, and their contribution to the
> project, is valued. That `odd case' is, in Europe, treated like a human
> being, because that is what they are.
I wouldn't romanticize like that. We have had border issues in non-US
DCs. I can remember some stressful cases in Brazil (2004), Scotland
(2007), Bosnia (2011)... It happens, it hurts, but please don't bring an
EU x US way-of-treating-human-beings discussion on this list.
> I agree that a lot of events do run successfully in the US with a large
> attendance and I suspect a Portland DebConf would be quite large and
> successful too, but please excuse me for taking a moment to reflect on
> the plight of those people who wouldn't be there to share in it.