On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 11:12:47AM +0000, Philip Hands wrote: > Ana Guerrero <ana@debian.org> writes: > > In le Camp, the possibilities of affordable hotel are *far* away and you need > > a car, le Camp is served by public transportation but it is very limiting. > > (Somebody added in the wiki the distances by bike, but I don't know > > anyone who travels packing a bike in their suitcase...). > Have you not met Paul Sladen? > As I said long ago, Le Camp (when considered as a DebConf venue) is > family hostile, and for the same reasons is comfort-loving-corporate > hostile, and also for those other cases you mention. > This has been know and accepted since DC12, at least, if not before. The degree to which this was known and understood by all affected parties definitely varies. I suppose those of us who were present at DC12 and not on crutches at the time had a fairly clear understanding of the tradeoffs of this venue. I never saw this articulated in a mail to debconf-team until very recently. (This could also be a result of me not paying sufficiently close attention to debconf-team; if so, feel free to lart me with a suitable mailing list link.) > It's since come to light that it's marginally more hostile than was > thought at the time of the venue decision meeting, but really, nothing > major has changed. The question of shower ratios and privacy thereof concerns me far more than anything else that's been mentioned, as I see no way to solve this that isn't going to leave our female DDs disproportionately uncomfortable and/or discouraged from coming. If the reality of the showers was understood by anyone prior to last week, I certainly don't believe it was shared in a suitable manner that would get the right eyeballs on it. Or, if the actual shower situation isn't as bad as Ana's initial investigation made it sound, I haven't seen anyone making a reasonable effort to set the record straight either. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/ slangasek@ubuntu.com vorlon@debian.org
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