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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Registration FAQ

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 02:32:47PM +0000, MJ Ray said:
> Christian Perrier <bubulle@debian.org> wrote:
> > Quoting MJ Ray (mjr@phonecoop.coop):
> > > I mean the preliminary schedule of which general topics are hoped to
> > > be on which days, so part-time visitors can prioritise [...]
> >
> > I think it's pretty hard to expect something really reliable about
> > this. To my experience, there has never been topic grouping in the
> > schedule and, given the way Debconf sets itself up, I'd bet it will
> > not happen.
> Thanks for the reply, but note I didn't ask for "something really
> reliable", but for preliminary.
> The lack of topic grouping is a bug in debconf set-up, isn't it?

Like all things in free software, if this really bothers you, please
volunteer to fix the bug you see.  I have the impression from previous
years that the schedule is the way it is because it is done by volunteers,
it is a hard job, and getting the actual speakers to show up on the right
day has proven to be a difficult task.  I am sure if you think you can
do a better job, or even just help, those currently saddled with doing
the scheduling would be happy for the help.

> > It's understandable that it may be disappointing for part-time
> > visitors as you have no idea of the better schedule you should follow
> > (IIRC, you had this problem in EDI). OTOH, when coming from Europe, do
> > you really expect to stay only 3 or 4 days?
> Yes, I'd really much prefer that.  If I travel from Europe, I am
> unlikely to be alone (yay health) and others who would probably be
> with me don't care about debconf AFAIK.  Also, as a non-geek, I find
> debconf attendees in general a stressful and tiring group to interact
> with, so I burn out after a few days of that effort. Finally, while
> debian *use* is mostly work for me, debian *development* is mostly a
> hobby.  How many people will spend over a solid week away for their
> hobby each year?  Does debconf not want mainstream developers?

Thank you for the usual aggressive tone I expect from you.  You do
realize that when you call everyone else involved in Debconf a geek,
question our motives, and call us tiresome to interact with, it
demotivates me to want to assist you?

> > Debconf is, more or less by definition, something that you really
> > benefit from when you participate to the entire event, really.
> It's a shame if there's no willingness to make debconf more easily
> accessible to a wider range of developers.  It seems likely to lead to
> forking as we grow, with all the drawbacks that involves.

If you think forking before offering to help makes sense, I welcome you
to it.  Good luck.
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