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Re: # Re: Gatos deb's (was: Re: xfree86 4.2.0-0pre1v3 (source,i386)available at the X Strike Force)

On Mon, 2002-08-26 at 14:36, Scott Henson wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-08-26 at 03:46, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> > On Mon, 2002-08-26 at 04:27, Scott Henson wrote:
> <snip>
> > > and I cannot start it with startx as a normal user, though root can.
> > > xinit does bring up XF86 though. When using startx the x server fails
> > > silently with out any errors or warnings.  I also cannot find a
> > > difference in the log files between startx as a normal user and startx
> > > as root.
> > 
> > Weird. I haven't had any problems like that so without more information
> > I can't really do anything.
> What information do you need?  When I type startx as a normal user the
> xserver looks like its going to start up then just dies with the only
> message on the screen being that It is waiting for X to die.

That's what it says at the end of the session, so it sounds like there's
a problem with the session, and it aborts. Anything in

> I can use xinit to start the xserver as the normal user then start a
> gnome-session from the xterm. 

Or xinit /usr/bin/gnome-session .

> > > I also have noticed a slow down in the system as a whole.
> > 
> > Can you be more specific? At least the operation of the X server should
> > definitely become faster or in the worst case stay the same...
> I thought this as well, but the system operation as a whole is much
> slower than with the old xfree86 debs.  There is more memory usage(main
> memory not the card's memory)

Did you use the DRI before? It uses 8 megs of RAM for DMA buffers etc.

> as well as programs taking forever to start.  Before I could expect things
> like galeon to come up in less than 5 seconds but now it is taking as
> much as 20 seconds.  I dont know if this is directly related to the
> xserver, but it wasnt happening till after I instaled it.

It's hardly directly related. Could rather be because there's less RAM

> Though the lines that appeared after windows while dragging them have
> significantly diminished as well as a few other annoyances with the
> old xserver.

These sound like bugs, have you reported them?

> Is there anyway I can tell for sure if Im using hardware acceleration?

Look at the log.

> A way to turn it on if Im not?

It's on by default so you'd have to deliberately turn it off.

(2D acceleration; 3D is another story. Please read some documentation
like the DRI user guide on http://dri.sf.net if you want to know about

> > > Maybe someone could tell me how to simply remove these debs and replace
> > > them with Branden's(which work wonderfully without any problems on this
> > > system).
> > 
> > sudo apt-get remove xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk xlibmesa3+
> This was the first thing I tried, but it wants to remove about 80 other
> packages that Im guessing depend on having an xserver installed.

xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk depends on xserver-xfree86... did you have the
xlibmesa3+ ?

> I still would like to get hardware acceleration working, but is there
> anyway to switch between the two?  Like using update alternatives to
> point to Branden's xserver and switch it to accelerated xserver when I
> want the hardware acceleration?  Thanks.

Sure, either just enable or disable the DRI as you wish or install or
remove xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk and friends. I personally don't see the
point in giving up 3D acceleration as well as 2D performance for no
benefit (except a bit of stability maybe) though...

Earthling Michel Dänzer (MrCooper)/ Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) developer
XFree86 and DRI project member   /  CS student, Free Software enthusiast

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