Re: Thinking about organizing a special women-oriented event
2009/8/25 Anne Ghisla <firstname.lastname@example.org>:
> Il giorno mar, 25/08/2009 alle 16.20 +0200, Ana Guerrero ha scritto:
>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 01:52:21PM -0500, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermos wrote:
>> > 2009/8/24 Holger Levsen <email@example.com>:
>> > > Why? It's not obvious to me. I think not having any men there would attract
>> > > some women who would otherwise not joiin.
>> > So...
>> > Could Caster Semenya go to the event or not? ;-)
>> I fail to see who is this funny or on-topic?
>> Keep such "jokes" out of here.
> my 2 cents: I agree with Ana. These jokes are hard to understand
> properly on written communication. So I can't get if it is just an
> innocent joke or, as it is so common among men who fear women raise of
> awareness (but can't understand why), a way to reduce importance of what
> women do and think by laughing at them.
It is by no means an innocent joke. I'll explain the context, for
those who are not familiar with it. Caster Semenya  is a South
African middle-distance runner who has been recently accused -at least
in Spanish Speaking media - of "being too similar to a man". She
has been harshly and cruelly harassed and laughed at in different
media for having a high level of testosterone  (3 times more than
the average woman, 10 times less than the average man), up to a point
where the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF)
had to conduct a gender verification test.
That joke, in my opinion, has different levels of evilness at once:
1) It is offtopic, childish and disruptive of the the topic thas was
being discussed ("Hey! I'm here! Pay me attention!"), to a point
where, as Anne says (but probably the writer is not doing consciously)
the whole matter being discussed is reduced in importance
2) It is cruel against a young woman (18 y.o.) who is being severely
attacked about her sexuality for "not being female enough", and who
has feelings that should be respected .
3) As Holger says, it takes out of the equation everyone who does not
clearly fit into one of the stereotypical male-female roles
4) It is not funny at all