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Re: "rms-open-letter" choice 3: do not, as the project itself, sign any letter regarding rms

Quoting Timo Weingärtner (2021-03-27 11:51:40)
> 26.03.21 20:42 Jonas Smedegaard:
> > Quoting Calum McConnell (2021-03-26 20:14:50)
> > > > Any individual (including Debian members) wishing to (co-)sign 
> > > > any of the open letters in question is invited to do this in 
> > > > person.
> > > 
> > > "In person" is a bit unclear, given our times: can I sign it 
> > > online? How about just adding my name?
> > Replacing "invited to do this in person" with "strongly encouraged 
> > to do so" would in my opinion radically change the message from an 
> > unbiased "Debian does not recommend if you should personally support 
> > a petition or not" to a biased "Debian recommends that you 
> > personally support a petition".  I would *not* second such changed 
> > proposal.
> I took "in a personal capacity" from Gunnar.

Rule #9: Given a choice between Jonas and Gunnar, pick Gunnar


> > Replacing "in question" with "on this subject" seems to me to not 
> > change to meaning of the message.  I would second a proposed text 
> > with that change.
> That's better actually, because it is not restricted to statements 
> mentioned in the vote.
> Updated text:
> ---8<---8<---8<---
> The Debian Project will not issue a public statement on whether Richard
> Stallman should be removed from leadership positions or not.
> Any individual (including Debian members) wishing to (co-)sign any of the open 
> letters on this subject is invited to do this in a personal capacity.
> ---8<---8<---8<---


> An alternative would be removing the last sentence all together, how 
> do you think about that?

Such change might be (mis)read as bias against (not only organisational, 
but also) personal engagement in petitions.

I find it a feature of this text that it explicitly clarifies that 
Debian has no opinion on personal engagement in petitions. I.e. 
praphrased: "Debian says no to partitions, but (just in case of doubt) 
has no say on what members of Debian do individually".

If instead you consider it that a flaw, and instead intended the message 
to be that Debian is more generally against those petitions, then I 
think it would be better to express that explicitly, e.g. by explicitly 
discouraging Debian members to sign those petitions even in a personal 

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