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Re: Question for Ted Walther.



On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 07:10:43PM -0800, Ted Walther wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 07:57:15PM -0500, Zephaniah E. Hull wrote:
> >During the debate you made a number of assertions about a number of
> >others running for DPL, specificly alleging that you had specific
> >evidence of religious discrimination.
> >
> >After specificly accusing Jeroen van Wolffelaar of this he asked for
> >specific examples, granting you permission to pull from his posts to
> >debian-private, and you stated that you could to produce such examples
> >in the timeframe of the debate.
> >
> >Would you please now produce, in public, to this list, the evidence you
> >stated to have against each person running for DPL, unedited, with
> >information on how developers can find the examples in question in
> >context wherever possible.
> 
> I suggest you hang out on #debian-devel on IRC for a few weeks and
> observe.  If you have access to logs, then view what happened over the
> past couple years.  I don't have days to spend combing through old logs
> and stripping out little bits and deciding what bits of context to keep
> and which to throw away.  The information is all out there.

This is both inconsistent with your statements in the debate[0], and
unacceptable in that you're asking hundreds of developers to spend hours
for things that you have claimed to _have_[1], and then agreed to
present[2].

Saying that the information is all out there is flat out unacceptable,
part of what is being discussed as part of the job as DPL, which you
have agreed with[3], is digging through long debates and/or flame wars
and bringing things to the point of the matter.

If you do not have the time or inclination to dig out information on
something as damning as religious discrimination then how can you
possibly claim to be suitable for the job of DPL?

Respectfully, dig out the information and present it, or stop claiming
that these things are going on, you are doing nothing but harming not
only your own reputation, but that of others of your religion, myself
included.

Zephaniah E. Hull.

(0, 1, and 2 are taken from
http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~mma29/temp/dpldebate/out/phase3.html)

0:
   <JeroenVW> TedWalther: by the way, can you please if you're going to
accuse people, fellow DPL candidates in this case, from discriminating
based on religion, provide proof for such accusations?  I think that's a
very strong accusation to make, and I think it's very bad for the
atmosphere in Debian
...
   <TedWalther> JeroenVW: thats all been done on the mailing lists. read
through -vote, -devel, and -private

1:
   <TedWalther> JeroenVW: also, I've started keeping IRC logs, which
include your own prejudiced attitudes.

2:
   <JeroenVW> TedWalther: can you prove one quote where I'm
discriminating based on religion? Permission to quote granted
hereby
...
   <TedWalther> JeroenVW: not in the timeframe of this debate. we can do
it later though

3: Message-ID: <20060317031322.GC16206@reactor-core.org> on debian-vote,
dated Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:13:22 -0800.

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