also sprach Amaya <amaya@debian.org> [2005.03.09.2107 +0100]: > > Why is it called debian-women? > > Because the effort, the project, is aimed at increasing the > involvement of women in Debian. So debian-women as a name made > perfect sense :) I had a deeper question in mind, but failed to be clear. > > I fully support debian-women as there is obviously demand for it. > > Thanks for the support, even if lukewarm. lukewarm it may be. But then you will never hear me voice a sexist opinion. Anyway, I feel like the topic is a hot coal and I'd rather put it down and sit around the fire than to toss it around more. But before we get out the marshmallows, I would like to commend you on the web site, which is, in fact, definitely a resource to all Debian people. I wish I had known about it a little earlier, then I could have put more references into my book. Anyway, I am trying to convince the publisher, now that I've seen some of it... after all, I did fix my .procmailrc this afternoon, and should now actually be receiving debian-women email... /me whacks himself over the head (I was a first-day subscriber too...) > > However, I often wonder why sets of problems are solved under a > > "superficial" label, when they really exist way further down the > > crust? > > I don't think I understand your claims here. The problem is that Debian is sometimes like the Wild West. You're in for a rough time, often, and that should change, whether to increase women's motivation to join, or make the whole place feel more cozy. I am not trying to deny my own responsibiltiy in the matter... > > If so, then why not solve the problem further down (through > > sensibilisation and competence to not answer every flamebait or > > take things personally in such public formums), > > Excuse me, are we talking about the same public forums? :) I am afraid we are. > I have little hope for that to happen. ... but it could be something that debian-women may be able to successfully pull off. In German there is a saying: "the wiser concedes the ground." I wish people (including myself) would live by it. Maybe debian-women have a better strategy at "implementing" this? > This is actually what you were answering to. There's no sex > segregation. But there's a strong emphasis in *visivility*. Great. This is the answer I wanted. Thanks. > I'd love to see groups like [...] debian-nudists (gnudists?) no, please! > .''`. What does not destroy me, makes me stronger. - Nietzsche (he said "kill", not "destroy", and "harder", not "stronger") -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft <madduck@debian.org> : :' : proud Debian developer, admin, user, and author `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver!
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